On May 17, 2009, at 4:34 AM, George Imburgia wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2009, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Assuming something like that happened, will a post to NANOG fix
it? I don't know. Certainly has a non-zero chance. But trying
to get Sprint, or any provider, to change because _you_ think w
On Sat, 16 May 2009, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Assuming something like that happened, will a post to NANOG fix it? I don't
know. Certainly has a non-zero chance. But trying to get Sprint, or any
provider, to change because _you_ think what they are doing is not sane is,
well, not sane.
On May 14, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
[TLB:] I can think of an argument they might make: that it is/could
be
used by bots as a fallback. However, redirecting DNS/UDP fits the
model
of "providing a better service for the average user";
blocking/redirecting TCP is more likely to bre
On May 14, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Mans Nilsson wrote:
Subject: Re: you're not interesting, was Re: another brick in the
wall[ed garden] Date: Fri, May 15, 2009 at 09:58:32AM +1000 Quoting
Mark Andrews (mark_andr...@isc.org):
And what's the next protocol that is going to be
Subject: Re: you're not interesting, was Re: another brick in the wall[ed
garden] Date: Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:10:26AM +0100 Quoting John R. Levine
(jo...@iecc.com):
>>> And what's the next protocol that is going to be stomped on?
>>
>> Anything except http;
Anything traversing the edge. They are all revenue targets.
Best,
Martin
On 5/14/09, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
> In message <20090514223605.88104.qm...@simone.iecc.com>, John Levine writes:
>> >Dear Sprint EVDO people,
>> >
>> >Your man-in-the-middle hijacking of UDP/53 DNS queries against
>> >na
And what's the next protocol that is going to be stomped on?
Anything except http; at which point everything will move to http, and
the firewalls are again useless.
Um, if you think that http on consumer networks is transparent, I have
some really bad news for you.
Regards,
John Lev
Subject: Re: you're not interesting, was Re: another brick in the wall[ed
garden] Date: Fri, May 15, 2009 at 09:58:32AM +1000 Quoting Mark Andrews
(mark_andr...@isc.org):
> And what's the next protocol that is going to be stomped on?
Anything except http; at which point ev
..@isc.org]
> >Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:59 PM
> >To: John Levine
> >Cc: nanog@nanog.org; r...@seastrom.com
> >Subject: Re: you're not interesting,was Re: another brick in the
> wall[ed
> >garden]
> >
> >
> >In message <2
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>> If I were an ISP, and I knew that approximately 99.9% of customer
>> queries to random name servers was malware doing fake site phishing or
>> misconfigured PCs that will work OK and avoid a support call if they
>> answer the DNS query, with
;re not interesting,was Re: another brick in the
wall[ed
>garden]
>
>
>In message <20090514223605.88104.qm...@simone.iecc.com>, John Levine
>writes:
>> >Dear Sprint EVDO people,
>> >
>> >Your man-in-the-middle hijacking of UDP/53 DNS queries against
In message <20090514223605.88104.qm...@simone.iecc.com>, John Levine writes:
> >Dear Sprint EVDO people,
> >
> >Your man-in-the-middle hijacking of UDP/53 DNS queries against
> >nameservers that I choose to query from my laptop on Sprint EVDO is
> >not appreciated. Even less appreciated is your c
those
ports.
My answer was VNP/tunnel everything.
-Original Message-
From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:36 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Cc: r...@seastrom.com
Subject: you're not interesting, was Re: another brick in the wall[ed
garden]
Dear Sprint E
...@seastrom.com
Subject: you're not interesting, was Re: another brick in the wall[ed
garden]
>Dear Sprint EVDO people,
>
>Your man-in-the-middle hijacking of UDP/53 DNS queries against
>nameservers that I choose to query from my laptop on Sprint EVDO is
>not appreciated. Even
>Dear Sprint EVDO people,
>
>Your man-in-the-middle hijacking of UDP/53 DNS queries against
>nameservers that I choose to query from my laptop on Sprint EVDO is
>not appreciated. Even less appreciated is your complete blocking of
>TCP/53 DNS queries.
If I were an ISP, and I knew that approximatel
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