Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Aug/15 00:50, Harry McGregor wrote: > > > > Before this happens (ie when hell freezes over), I would like to see > new home communities deploying fiber networks as part of the building > of the "master plan" of the community. That way the home owners > association can go out for bid ev

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Harry McGregor
On 08/15/2015 09:44 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: The most viable solution, IMHO, is to require a separation between physical infrastructure providers and those that provide services over that infrastructure. Breaking the tight coupling between the two and requiring physical infrastructure provider

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On 15/Aug/15 22:45, jim deleskie wrote: > There is more to it, then just being tired of it, it take, $$ and time > and bodies to build a network, even in 1 country. Its not something > everyone can do. I suspect the "game" and transit networks, will > continue long after most of us are no long

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread jim deleskie
There is more to it, then just being tired of it, it take, $$ and time and bodies to build a network, even in 1 country. Its not something everyone can do. I suspect the "game" and transit networks, will continue long after most of us are no long "playing" On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mark

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On 15/Aug/15 22:01, Owen DeLong wrote: > > IMHO, there’s only one yes answer here… If enough of the eyeball/content > providers are able to cooperate and peer with each other directly, you might > see a significant impact (reduction in need) on transit providers as their > entire > business wou

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On 15/Aug/15 19:32, jim deleskie wrote: > In my 20+ yrs now of playing this game, "everyone" has had a turn thinking > their content/eyeballs are special and should get free "peering". That's why those tired of playing the game build their own networks to take out the middleman, for better or w

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Owen DeLong
Internet Exchange >> http://www.midwest-ix.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Owen DeLong" >> To: "Matthew Huff" >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 11:44:57 AM >> Subject: Re:

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Matthew Petach
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Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread jim deleskie
p://www.midwest-ix.com > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Owen DeLong" > To: "Matthew Huff" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 11:44:57 AM > Subject: Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and > Co

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett
ons > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Owen DeLong" > To: "Matthew Huff" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Owen DeLong
west-ix.com > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Owen DeLong" > To: "Matthew Huff" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 11:44:57 AM > Subject: Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and >

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett
ernet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Owen DeLong" To: "Matthew Huff" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 11:44:57 AM Subject: Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas Th

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Owen DeLong
| Fax: 914-694-5669 > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Hamilton > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 5:31 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent > in Da

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 08/15/2015 06:40 AM, Matthew Huff wrote: neither side wants to upgrade their peeing Oh, the irony of this typo of "peering"...

RE: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-15 Thread Matthew Huff
5:31 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas I have several customers that are having packet loss issues, the packet loss appears to be associated with a Cogent router interface of 38.104.86.222. My upstream provider is telling m

net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

2015-08-14 Thread Jordan Hamilton
I have several customers that are having packet loss issues, the packet loss appears to be associated with a Cogent router interface of 38.104.86.222. My upstream provider is telling me that the packet loss is being caused by a net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Quest and Cogent