east
three A levels? and at least two MSc/MA? Or even maybe a PhD? Where exactly are
you based?
From: Leo Bicknell
To: Dan Golding
Cc: NANOG
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack &
er to computer
science, and computer networking.
-Original Message-
From: Lamar Owen [mailto:lo...@pari.edu]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:59 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack
On Wednesday, February 22, 2012 03:37:57 PM Dan Golding w
In a message written on Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:37:57PM -0800, Dan Golding
wrote:
> I disagree. The best model is - gasp - engineering, a profession which
> many in "networking" claim to be a part of, but few actually are. In the
> engineering world (not CS, not development - think ME and EE), the
On Wednesday, February 22, 2012 03:37:57 PM Dan Golding wrote:
> I disagree. The best model is - gasp - engineering, a profession which
> many in "networking" claim to be a part of, but few actually are. In the
> engineering world (not CS, not development - think ME and EE), there is
> a strongly d
On Feb 17, 2012, at 18:55, Owen DeLong wrote:
> I also think that when we spend too many consecutive weeks/months/years
> behind a desk without going out in the real world, we become progressively
> more detached from the operational reality where our designs have to operate.
In software, this
> -Original Message-
> From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bickn...@ufp.org]
>
> At the risk of offending many folks on NANOG, our industry is more
like
> a trade than a profession. In many cases we would do better to treat
> our people (in terms of how they are managed) like skilled trades,
> el
--- gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a theory of management that says a good manager
needs to know nothing about the staff or the jobs he is managing,
-
:-)
>From empirical data, this is not a good thing for companies. They
constantly make
> From: Mike Andrews [mailto:mi...@mikea.ath.cx]
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:44 PM
> To: 'NANOG'
> Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 01:15:09PM -0500, Tony Patti wrote:
>
> > In the context of
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 01:15:09PM -0500, Tony Patti wrote:
> In the context of the military scenario above, Grace Hopper comes to mind
> because of her nanoseconds etc
> "In her retirement speech, instead of dwelling on the past, she talked about
> moving toward the future, stressing the importan
- Original Message -
> From: "Leo Bicknell"
> Maybe if we did more apprecenship style learning folks would still
> know how to wrap cables with wax string. It's simple, fast, and works well.
Cue the obligatory cabling porn thread.
Cheers,
-- jr 'and aren't all the old Bell guys dead now
> From: Gary Buhrmaster [mailto:gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:54 PM
> To: Jeff Wheeler
> Cc: NANOG
> Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 23:29, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
> ...
> > Imagi
On Feb 16, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
> Randy's P-Touch thread brings up an issue I think is worth some
> discussion. I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes
> well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack &
> stack" tasks, which I feel is a very u
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 23:29, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
...
> Imagine if the CFO of a bank spent a big chunk of his time filling up ATMs.
> Flying a sharp router jockey around to far-flung POPs to install gear
> is just as foolish.
There is a theory of management that says a good manager
needs to know
Jeff Wheeler writes:
> With apologies to Randy, let the CCNAs fight with label makers.
Yeah. And you need do be at last CCNP to switch a module in a router.
Had this request last year. I first thought that some troubleshooting /
configuration was involved but it was just replacing a module.
J
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM, George Bonser wrote:
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bickn...@ufp.org]
> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:46 AM
> > To: NANOG
> > Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack & s
would have been good to know to whom you were replying, not in To: or in
pre-quote text.
>> I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes
>> well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack &
>> stack" tasks, which I feel is a very unwise use of time and talent.
>
> It'
> -Original Message-
> From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bickn...@ufp.org]
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:46 AM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack
> Low level employees should be apprenticed by higher level employees.
> Many
On 2/17/12 06:18 , Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
> actually most west european countries have laws against having your
> employees lift up stuff heavier than 20 kilos :P
>
> you generally don't have insurance on your network-dude to handle such
> things *grin* if it drops on his foot, you're screwed.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Wheeler
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:30 PM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: common time-management mistake: rack & stack
>
> Randy's P-Touch thread brings up an issue I think is worth some
> discussion. I have not
In a message written on Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 02:29:36AM -0500, Jeff Wheeler
wrote:
> Randy's P-Touch thread brings up an issue I think is worth some
> discussion. I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes
> well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack &
> stack"
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
actually most west european countries have laws against having your employees
lift up stuff heavier than 20 kilos :P
IT job postings in the US often include physical qualifiers such as "must
be able to lift weights of up to 50 pounds (~22.7 kilos
actually most west european countries have laws against having your
employees lift up stuff heavier than 20 kilos :P
you generally don't have insurance on your network-dude to handle such
things *grin* if it drops on his foot, you're screwed. (or worse, on his
hand ;)
looking at the latest m
Hrm.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Brandon Butterworth
wrote:
> It's not a waste, it's therapeutic, breaks the monotony of a desk
> job, you get a bit of exercise. Doing something mindless can help
> clear your thoughts, engineering yoga.
This.
One of the reasons I love my job so much is tha
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
It's not a waste, it's therapeutic, breaks the monotony of a desk
job, you get a bit of exercise. Doing something mindless can help
clear your thoughts, engineering yoga.
Definite +1 here. I got my start in this profession 15-ish years ago at a
Hi,
Or sometimes you don't let a hazardous task like handling a Carrier
Class Router to your CCNA in case they injure themself.
Or worst... drop it =D
( From an actual experience )
-
Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
PubNIX Inc.
50 boul. St-C
I was once advising a client on a transit purchasing decision, and a
fairly-large, now-defunct tier-2 ISP was being considered. We needed
a few questions about their IPv6 plans answered before we were
comfortable. The CTO of that org was the only guy who was able to
answer these questions. Aft
...@pateam.com
5095 Ritter Rd
Mechanicsburg PA 17055
-Original Message-
From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:36 AM
To: Brandon Butterworth
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack
On Feb 17, 2012, at
On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:17 AM, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
>> I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes
>> well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack &
>> stack" tasks, which I feel is a very unwise use of time and talent.
>
> It's not a waste, it's therapeutic,
+1
I picked up ram from a supplier today. Could have used a courier, but
getting out of the office is vital.
A CTO who's lost touch because they haven't been to a remote site in
half a decade is a business risk, more so than the CTO being away from
their desk.
If there is business risk fr
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Nathan Eisenberg
wrote:
> No, your CTO shouldn't be racking and stacking routers all the time. The
> fundamental concept of an organizational hierarchy dictates that. But a CTO
> who has lost touch with the challenges inherent in racking and stacking a
> rout
> With apologies to Randy, let the CCNAs fight with label makers.
No, your CTO shouldn't be racking and stacking routers all the time. The
fundamental concept of an organizational hierarchy dictates that. But a CTO
who has lost touch with the challenges inherent in racking and stacking a
rou
> I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes
> well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack &
> stack" tasks, which I feel is a very unwise use of time and talent.
It's not a waste, it's therapeutic, breaks the monotony of a desk
job, you get a bit of exercise. Do
Randy's P-Touch thread brings up an issue I think is worth some
discussion. I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes
well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack &
stack" tasks, which I feel is a very unwise use of time and talent.
Imagine if the CFO of a bank
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