On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Jack Bates wrote:
> On 1/11/2011 12:57 AM, David Conrad wrote:
>> Or not. It may be that network operators (not just the ones that show up at
>> ARIN meetings and are on PPML) are happy with the existing communication
>> channels and that additional structures to e
On 1/11/2011 12:57 AM, David Conrad wrote:
Or not. It may be that network operators (not just the ones that show up at
ARIN meetings and are on PPML) are happy with the existing communication
channels and that additional structures to encourage participation and input in
the ARIN region regar
On Jan 10, 2011, at 8:23 PM, David Conrad wrote:
> Owen,
>
> On Jan 8, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> I suspect part of the issue is that ARIN is a monopoly provider of a
>>> variety public services that folks unrelated (directly) to ARIN must make
>>> use of. In other areas of publi
On Jan 10, 2011, at 8:52 PM, David Conrad wrote:
> Owen,
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Members may bring any topic of interest to arin-discuss.
>
> Just to be clear, arin-discuss is limited to ARIN members?
>
To the best of my knowledge, yes.
>> They can and sometimes
Lee,
On Jan 9, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote:
> Are you saying ARIN needs an ombudsman function to make sure the Board
> doesn't delay implementation of things the community wants while it figures
> out whether doing such things will prevent it from doing other things the
> community wants
Owen,
On Jan 10, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Members may bring any topic of interest to arin-discuss.
Just to be clear, arin-discuss is limited to ARIN members?
> They can and sometimes do discuss operational matters there.
Operational matters that impact more than members?
> The AC
Owen,
On Jan 8, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I suspect part of the issue is that ARIN is a monopoly provider of a variety
>> public services that folks unrelated (directly) to ARIN must make use of. In
>> other areas of public service provision, there are things like public
>> utilit
>> PPML is a forum for the community (not just ARIN members, the entire
>> community).
> Good to know. I was under the impression that it was member only.
>
Nope... Anyone interested can subscribe to PPML.
>> There is a separate mailing list... arin-discuss which is for members of
>> ARIN to di
On 1/10/2011 5:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Members may bring any topic of interest to arin-discuss. The fact that there is
more
traffic on ppml dealing with the NRPM than there is on arin-discuss dealing
with other
issues is a matter of where the members choose to focus their attention more
tha
On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Jack Bates wrote:
> On 1/9/2011 5:27 PM, John Curran wrote:
>> Excellent question. To the extent that it is best practices on these types
>> of
>> services, then that's relatively easy for ARIN to interface with... if it is
>> specific direction to ARIN to "do xyz",
On 1/9/2011 5:27 PM, John Curran wrote:
Excellent question. To the extent that it is best practices on these types of
services, then that's relatively easy for ARIN to interface with... if it is
specific direction to ARIN to "do xyz", then ultimately the decision rests with
the ARIN Board regard
On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:11 AM, David Conrad wrote:
> Another view is that ARIN's whole and sole reason for being is to provide
> services to the network operators in the ARIN region. As such, it would be
> ill-advised for ARIN to change those services without consulting the
> community that ARIN s
> On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote:
> > I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best
Current Operational
> Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and document
BCOPs.
>
> While I think BCOPs (and BCOP BoFs) are a great idea, I guess the questi
On Jan 8, 2011, at 1:15 PM, David Conrad wrote:
> Lee,
>
> On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote:
>> I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best Current
>> Operational Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and
>> document BCOPs.
>
> While I
> I suspect part of the issue is that ARIN is a monopoly provider of a
> variety public services that folks unrelated (directly) to ARIN must
> make use of. In other areas of public service provision, there are
> things like public utilities commissions that (in theory) ensure the
> monopoly servic
Lee,
On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote:
> I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best Current
> Operational Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and
> document BCOPs.
While I think BCOPs (and BCOP BoFs) are a great idea, I guess the ques
[ vix, apologies for giving you both barrels. you unintentionally
pushed a hot button or two ]
> Randy, what is the model you have in mind for running a routing
> registry infrastructure that is sustainable and trustworthy enough for
> uses such as RPKI, i.e. who could/should be running it?
t
Randy Bush writes:
> one difference in north america from the other 'regions' is that there
> is a strong and very separate operator community and forum. this does
> not really exist in the other regions. ripe ate the eof years ago.
> apops is dormant aside from [...]
Right.
> observe that the
>> one difference in north america from the other 'regions' is that there
>> is a strong and very separate operator community and forum.
> Right. However, it seems to me that this strong separation has led to
> exactly the problem you raised. The issue, as far as I can tell, is
> that there are f
Randy,
On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> one difference in north america from the other 'regions' is that there
> is a strong and very separate operator community and forum.
Right. However, it seems to me that this strong separation has led to exactly
the problem you raised. The i
> The issue I see is that there are non-address allocation{, policy}
> topics that can deeply affect network operations in which ARIN has a
> direct role, yet network operators (outside of the normal ARIN
> participants) have no obvious mechanism in which to
> comment/discuss/etc. Examples would i
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