RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
e woods are fun. Ralph Brandt -Original Message- From: Luke S. Crawford [mailto:l...@prgmr.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 3:26 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click) On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 10:59:47AM -0400, Brandt, Ralph wrote: > One o

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Luke S. Crawford wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 10:59:47AM -0400, Brandt, Ralph wrote: >> One of the first things cellular companies can do is stop overselling >> cellular.  The second is end or raise the price significantly on >> unlimited plans, both voice and

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Luke S. Crawford
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 10:59:47AM -0400, Brandt, Ralph wrote: > One of the first things cellular companies can do is stop overselling > cellular. The second is end or raise the price significantly on > unlimited plans, both voice and data. Go to what the landlines called, > USS, that is you pay

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Sean Harlow
On May 3, 2012, at 14:37, Brandt, Ralph wrote: > Sean, do you know anyone who has successfully used either to place a > call? Not to my knowledge. Due to some family in government I'm sure I know someone who's authorized for one or the other, but I can't say the topic's ever come up. I'm ju

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Mike Hale
; To: Brandt, Ralph > Cc: NANOG list > Subject: Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click) > > That's precisely where SatCom enters the picture.  Cell companies > aren't ever going to undersell their bandwidth...that simply isn't > profitable.  SatCom

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Sean Harlow
On May 3, 2012, at 14:19, Jay Ashworth wrote: > {citation-needed} I don't have any numbers to offer, but given the near universality of cellular phones these days among the adult population I could easily see a majority going for cellular. Car accidents, house fires, and a lot of other types o

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
ralph.bra...@pateam.com 5095 Ritter Rd Mechanicsburg PA 17055 -Original Message- From: Sean Harlow [mailto:s...@seanharlow.info] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:36 PM To: Mike Hale Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click) On May 3, 2012, at 12:26, Mike Hale wrote

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
-Original Message- From: Mike Hale [mailto:eyeronic.des...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:32 PM To: Brandt, Ralph Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click) That's precisely where SatCom enters the picture. Cell companies aren't ever going to

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
ked at the other two as snake oil salesmen I was the only one who asked any questions. Ralph Brandt York PA 17055 -Original Message- From: Mike Hale [mailto:eyeronic.des...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:26 PM To: Tei Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re:

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Ralph Brandt" > The problem with this is, MOST 911 CALLS ARE CELLULAR or soon will be. {citation-needed} Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
The problem with this is, MOST 911 CALLS ARE CELLULAR or soon will be. Ralph Brandt PA -Original Message- From: Tei [mailto:oscar.vi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:15 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click) Perhaps cell towers

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Sean Harlow
On May 3, 2012, at 12:26, Mike Hale wrote: > Don't cell companies already provide over-ride codes to various > federal agencies to obtain emergency priority access to cell service? That would be the Nationwide Wireless Priority Service. Authorized users can dial *272 to get priority on supporte

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Mike Hale
ll 911.  Hopefully it will not be on > VOIP and the internet is down. > > > Ralph Brandt > > -----Original Message- > From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:15 PM > To: Eric Wieling > Cc: NANOG list > Subject: VoIP vs POTS

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Mike Hale
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Tei wrote: ** Perhaps cell towers can be made to fail sooner, and enter some ** emergency mode where only 911 calls get service. ** ** ** ** -- Don't cell companies already provide over-ride codes to various federal agencies to obtain emergency priority access to c

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Tei
Perhaps cell towers can be made to fail sooner, and enter some emergency mode where only 911 calls get service. -- -- ℱin del ℳensaje.

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
, 2012 8:25 PM To: NANOG Subject: Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click) - Original Message - > From: "Jeroen van Aart" > I don't doubt it. However my practical experience is such that 100% of > the time (I lost count after 20 or so, in a decade) I exper

RE: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-03 Thread Brandt, Ralph
aiting for the yackers to get off the call phone so they can call 911. Hopefully it will not be on VOIP and the internet is down. Ralph Brandt -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:15 PM To: Eric Wieling Cc: NANOG list Subj

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Jeroen van Aart" > I don't doubt it. However my practical experience is such that 100% of > the time (I lost count after 20 or so, in a decade) I experienced a > power failure the phone would still work. I am sure I am not the only > one. Sure. (We're not r

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-02 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Jared Mauch wrote: Regarding landline service, this can fail for many of the common reasons it does are the same reasons that IP service may fail. The failure modes can depend on a variety of circumstances from the physical layer (e.g.: audible static on the line) that cause your ear to retra

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-02 Thread Jared Mauch
This device uses cellular only. Don't live in vz territory. Live in AT&T pots only land. No cable here either. Jared Mauch On May 2, 2012, at 5:33 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On 5/2/12, Jared Mauch wrote: >> Personally, I'm thinking of ditching my ISDN (gives clear dial tone at a >> long-dis

Re: VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-02 Thread William Herrin
On 5/2/12, Jared Mauch wrote: > Personally, I'm thinking of ditching my ISDN (gives clear dial tone at a > long-distance from the CO) for something like the Verizon Home Connect box. > Gives a few hours of built-in battery backup, but would fail once the tower > loses power (usually 8-12 hours).

VoIP vs POTS (was Re: Operation Ghost Click)

2012-05-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On May 2, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Eric Wieling wrote: > > I doubt the g729 or GSM codecs used by VoIP and Cell phones can compare to a > POTS line. This is why many people use g711ulaw or other codec. Personally I would not work with anyone that doesn't do g711ulaw (88.2kbit when IP packet overhe