Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-04 Thread Dobbins, Roland via NANOG
On Feb 4, 2025, at 12:26, Amos Rosenboim wrote: What other problems do you anticipate ? All the issues mentioned earlier in this thread. There are multiple techniques available to ameliorate the side-effects of aggressive scanning in a network using NAT64/DNS64 with 464XLAT.

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-03 Thread Amos Rosenboim via NANOG
Thank you. I am not building it yet… still considering it. The functional problems I am considering are in the fields of ALG. What other problems do you anticipate ? Regards Sent from my iPhone On 3 Feb 2025, at 22:21, Ca By wrote: External sender - pay attention On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 12:1

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-03 Thread Brandon Martin
On 2/3/25 15:14, Amos Rosenboim via NANOG wrote: Even with IPv6, many of the operators I know of do not allow internet initiated traffic towards their subscribers. Address translation is not required for this function. A stateless ACL can do a lot to limit it especially combined with assignin

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-03 Thread Aaron Gould
My CGNat domains for resi bb (dsl, cm, ftth) for IPv4 were created years ago as MPLS-based L3VPN's.  I've tested and proven an architecture where by which, I advertise another BGP RT and allow the IPv6 dual stacked portion to "flow around" the CGNat boundary and naturally route out to the Inter

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-03 Thread Glenn McGurrin via NANOG
I feel like you are conflating two things, stateful firewalls and NPTv6 or any form of NAT, they are often done at the same box together, but they are not inherently linked. I dislike NAT in an IPv6 environment as I've generally not found a use for it not better served by something else, but a

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-03 Thread Dobbins, Roland via NANOG
On Feb 4, 2025, at 03:14, Amos Rosenboim wrote: As much as I love to be a network purist who hates state maintenance in the core of the network, the sad reality is that these devices are there and will remain there for the foreseeable future. Not on reliable, resilient networks of any signifi

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-03 Thread Ca By
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 12:15 PM Amos Rosenboim via NANOG wrote: > Roland, > > Thanks for your comments. > > As much as I love to be a network purist who hates state maintenance in > the core of the network, the sad reality is that these devices are there > and will remain there for the foreseeabl

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-03 Thread Amos Rosenboim via NANOG
Roland, Thanks for your comments. As much as I love to be a network purist who hates state maintenance in the core of the network, the sad reality is that these devices are there and will remain there for the foreseeable future. Mobile operators need IPv4 address sharing and many of them choos

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-03 Thread Dobbins, Roland via NANOG
On Feb 3, 2025, at 17:03, Amos Rosenboim via NANOG wrote: The requirement for state full traffic flow is given by the customer. Organizations sometimes state that they’ve requirements in specializesd contexts which are in fact counterproductive; in such cases, they can often benefit from edu

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-03 Thread Amos Rosenboim via NANOG
Thank you Joshua for the quick and detailed response. I agree with everything you mentioned below, and this is why we are considering it. To your questions and comments below: The requirement for state full traffic flow is given by the customer. The logic behind it is to avoid unnecessary pagi

Re: Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-02 Thread Joshua Miller
Hi Amos, Assuming the network segments adjacent to these stateful devices use longest prefix match routing, NPTv6 is your best option.You'd assign a unique IPv6 prefix as the NPTv6 prefix to each firewall, ensuring the traffic returns to the correct firewall. Keep in mind each stateful firewall i

Use of NPTv6 in a mobile service provider network

2025-02-02 Thread Amos Rosenboim via NANOG
Hi, We are implementing an CGNAT + IPv6 firewall project for a mobile service provider. One of the project goals is to support scale out all active deployment of the stateful devices. One of the challenges of inserting these stateful devices into the network is the requirement that all packet