Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Jack Bates
On 9/21/2010 2:53 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: On 9/21/2010 6:04 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx 1. Deer tend to hang out in little clearings while eating. Little clearings like the right of way clearing 25 or 50 feet on e

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Joe Provo
...and I used to live in parts of Virginia where rednecks took out signs with shotguns and no doubt now [if not run out by gentrification] take out fiber. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 01:59:03PM -0700, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: [snip] > Long story short, you can't account for stupid. ...and

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/21/10 2:10 PM, Michael Painter wrote: > David DiGiacomo wrote: >> Instead of a rifle, how about a shotgun? It fires a nice wide spread >> shot pattern. I think you would be much more likely to do >> some damage (ie: knock fiber off a pole) with something like that. >> Here in New Jersey it is

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Painter
David DiGiacomo wrote: Instead of a rifle, how about a shotgun? It fires a nice wide spread shot pattern. I think you would be much more likely to do some damage (ie: knock fiber off a pole) with something like that. Here in New Jersey it is illegal to use a rifle to hunt deer, so typically you

RE: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
> -Original Message- > From: Reese [mailto:re...@inkworkswell.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:36 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre > > At 11:39 21 09 10, Leslie wrote: > > >I don't think anyone is

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Patrick Giagnocavo
On 9/21/2010 6:04 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx > 1. Deer tend to hang out in little clearings while eating. Little clearings like the right of way clearing 25 or 50 feet on each side of an electricity pylon. 2. Deer ar

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Reese
At 11:39 21 09 10, Leslie wrote: I don't think anyone is claiming all hunters/gun owners are irresponsible, Re-read the article. "[h]unters" it said, not "some hunters" or "irresponsible hunters". How broad must the brush be, before you feel personally impugned and maligned? but, as with any

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 02:45:11PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > What I have to wonder about is how often hunter-inflicted damage is > intentional > and located at the insulator (which makes for a good story) and how often it's > a totally accidental stray bullet nicking the cable many y

RE: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread David DiGiacomo
shoot down Google fibre On 9/21/2010 10:52, Holmes,David A wrote: > Modern telephone pole aerial fiber uses all dialectric self-supporting > (ADSS) technology, where the self-supporting component consists > primarily of aramid yarn, the same material used for bullet-proof vests. > This

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:10:38 MDT, Kevin Neal said: > How are the guys sent out on cross-country skis going to get up to the fiber > to repair it? I'm sure that the cable isn't low enough for them to reach it > without a ladder, bucket truck, helicopter all of which you don't pack > in on skis

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Kevin Neal
I guess it depends on whether these are wooden poles or the metal towers that I find around here for long haul power. -Kevin On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mark Keymer wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > That is easy. "Tree Climbing Spurs / Tree Climbing Spikes" A quick > Google search found these for s

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Keymer
Hi Kevin, That is easy. "Tree Climbing Spurs / Tree Climbing Spikes" A quick Google search found these for sale. http://wesspur.com/spurs/spurs.html :) Sincerely, Mark Kevin Neal wrote: > How are the guys sent out on cross-country skis going to get up to the fiber > to repair it? I'm sure th

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Kevin Neal
How are the guys sent out on cross-country skis going to get up to the fiber to repair it? I'm sure that the cable isn't low enough for them to reach it without a ladder, bucket truck, helicopter all of which you don't pack in on skis... -Kevin On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Seth Mattin

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/21/2010 10:52, Holmes,David A wrote: > Modern telephone pole aerial fiber uses all dialectric self-supporting > (ADSS) technology, where the self-supporting component consists > primarily of aramid yarn, the same material used for bullet-proof vests. > This makes for an extremely light weight,

RE: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Holmes,David A
: nanog@nanog.org Subject: US hunters shoot down Google fibre http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre. aspx Repairers forced to ski in to Oregon back woods. Google has revealed that aerial fibre links to its data centre in Oregon were "regularly" shot down

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Andrew Kirch
On 9/21/2010 12:29 PM, Tony Finch wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Reese wrote: Several years ago I heard of a Swiss ISP having the same problem. They built their network by running fibre along the earth conductor of high voltage transmission lines (like Energis in the UK). I was told that it was com

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Reese wrote: > > I don't want to start an off-topic subthread but I have to call > bullshit on this so-called "news" story. Several years ago I heard of a Swiss ISP having the same problem. They built their network by running fibre along the earth conductor of high voltage tra

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Leslie
I don't want to start an off-topic subthread but I have to call bullshit on this so-called "news" story. So it is my intent that this be my first, last, and only post on this topic. Was it addressed at NANOG (in SF?) that many rifles and amateur shooters both, are capable of sub-MOA accuracy a

RE: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Todd Snyder
"Fiber Week"? -Original Message- From: Leslie [mailto:les...@craigslist.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:29 AM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre Hunters, backhoes, and ship anchors are all fiber's natura

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Reese
At 09:19 21 09 10, Christopher Morrow wrote: this was presented at the nanog in ... SF I think as well: not really news... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > >

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Leslie
Hunters, backhoes, and ship anchors are all fiber's natural enemies - I'm surprised Discovery Channel hasn't done a special on it! On 9/21/10 6:19 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: this was presented at the nanog in ... SF I think as well:

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Christopher Morrow
this was presented at the nanog in ... SF I think as well: not really news... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx

US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx Repairers forced to ski in to Oregon back woods. Google has revealed that aerial fibre links to its data centre in Oregon were "regularly" shot down by hunters, forcing the company to put its cables underground. The se