Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread Joe Greco
> > I beg to differ (the archives may reflect my objection last time around). > > > > I agree that a crime was committed. > > > > It was committed by the management that allowed this situation to exist. Agree. > > It is a pretty easy matter to maintain controls that make the passwords > > secur

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread William Pitcock
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:23 -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote: > On 4/29/2010 21:05, William Pitcock wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:48 -0400, David Krider wrote: > >> On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: > >>> Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you refuse to hand over > >>>

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/29/2010 21:05, William Pitcock wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:48 -0400, David Krider wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: >>> Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you refuse to hand over >>> passwords for property that is not legally yours, that you are >>>

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread Robert Brockway
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, William Pitcock wrote: Same difference, he still committed a crime and anyone who is defending him seems to not understand this. Whatever we want to call that crime, it's still a crime, and he got the appropriate penalty. Hi William. I have to agree that it does seem he

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread Ernie Rubi
Illegal control = Conversion = at least a tort, but could also be a crime. On Apr 29, 2010, at 10:05 PM, William Pitcock wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:48 -0400, David Krider wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: >>> Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you ref

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread William Pitcock
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:48 -0400, David Krider wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: > > Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you refuse to hand over > > passwords for property that is not legally yours, that you are > > committing a crime. I mean, think about it,

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread David Krider
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: > Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you refuse to hand over > passwords for property that is not legally yours, that you are > committing a crime. I mean, think about it, it's effectively theft, in > the same sense that if you refuse

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread James Hess
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:15 PM, wrote: > So if you want to make an analogy, it's more like taking the keys away from > a drunk so they can't drive.  Good luck finding a DA who will indict you for > grand theft auto for taking the keys to prevent a DWI. According to news reports in this case it

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Henry Linneweh wrote: Anytime you mess with a government entity, without legal guidance, you are at great risk. Mr.Childs took a risk and jury decided he was wrong. He faces 5 years in prison. Unlikely. From the article: "However, Judge Teri Jackson is expected to impose a sentence under whic

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:47:02 CDT, William Pitcock said: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 15:11 -0500, Olsen, Jason wrote: > > I'm a bit surprised that after the furor here on NANOG when the story > > first broke (in 2008) that there's been no discussion about the recent > > outcome of his trial (convicted,

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread William Pitcock
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 15:11 -0500, Olsen, Jason wrote: > I'm a bit surprised that after the furor here on NANOG when the story > first broke (in 2008) that there's been no discussion about the recent > outcome of his trial (convicted, one count of felony network tampering). Surely even at DeVry th

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread Henry Linneweh
1:11:07 PM Subject: Terry Childs conviction I'm a bit surprised that after the furor here on NANOG when the story first broke (in 2008) that there's been no discussion about the recent outcome of his trial (convicted, one count of felony network tampering). http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/art

Re: Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread Cutler James R
On Apr 29, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Olsen, Jason wrote: I'm a bit surprised that after the furor here on NANOG when the story first broke (in 2008) that there's been no discussion about the recent outcome of his trial (convicted, one count of felony network tampering). === I'm not surprised. It has littl

Terry Childs conviction

2010-04-29 Thread Olsen, Jason
I'm a bit surprised that after the furor here on NANOG when the story first broke (in 2008) that there's been no discussion about the recent outcome of his trial (convicted, one count of felony network tampering). http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/04/27/BA4V1D5Q22.D TL&tsp=1 -