Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-30 Thread Roy
Doug McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:22:27AM -0400, Barton F Bruce wrote: So what is wrong with a /31? We use /30s but if you are short on IP space, look at using /31 rather than /30 links. Cuts your space usage in half. /31's are only defined for point-to-point links. Et

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-30 Thread Doug McIntyre
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:22:27AM -0400, Barton F Bruce wrote: > So what is wrong with a /31? We use /30s but if you are short on IP space, > look at using /31 rather than /30 links. Cuts your space usage in half. /31's are only defined for point-to-point links. Ethernet isn't considered PtP i

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-30 Thread Adrian Minta
Shared link for BGP connectivity is a bad idea. Imagine that one of your customer leave proxy-arp on his interface, or imagine that he makes a Layer2 loop. Then all other customers will be affected. Usually a customer with BGP is on another level, so a gain of some IP's doesn't worth the troub

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-30 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: I don't remember if you have to do local-proxy-arp or not, but if you're running bgp you could always do next-hop-self to be sure it hops via the gateway. I did remember that this is identical to the behaviour described in RFC3069. -- Mikael A

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Benjamin Billon wrote: Who knows any other good way to lose IP addresses? I know how to not lose them: int lo30 ip address 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 int gi2.10 encap dot1q 10 desc cust 1 ip address unnumbered lo30 int gi2.11 encap dot1q 11 desc cust 2 ip address unnumbe

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Barton F Bruce
- Original Message - From: "Jim Wininger" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Subnet Size for BGP peers. I have a question about the subnet size for BGP peers. Typically when we turn up a new BGP customer we turn them up on a /29 or a /30. That seems t

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Benjamin Billon
ways: on 10.0.0.0/29, you got 10.0.0.0 : network 10.0.0.7 : broadcast 10.0.0.1 : gw1 10.0.0.2 : gw2 10.0.0.6 : virtual gw only 3, 4 and 5 for other equipments. Who knows any other good way to lose IP addresses? Jim Wininger a écrit : I have a question about the subnet size for BGP peers. Typicall

RE: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Stewart
/29's here for everyone great for troubleshooting and any future additions typically required...;) -Original Message- From: Jim Wininger [mailto:jbot...@gmail.com] Sent: July 29, 2009 4:00 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Subnet Size for BGP peers. I have a question about the s

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Nathan Ward
On 30/07/2009, at 7:59 AM, Jim Wininger wrote: I have a question about the subnet size for BGP peers. Typically when we turn up a new BGP customer we turn them up on a /29 or a /30. That seems to be the "norm". We connect to many of our BGP peers with ethernet. It would be

Subnet Size for BGP peers.

2009-07-29 Thread Jim Wininger
I have a question about the subnet size for BGP peers. Typically when we turn up a new BGP customer we turn them up on a /29 or a /30. That seems to be the "norm". We connect to many of our BGP peers with ethernet. It would be a simple matter to allocate a /24 for connectivity to th