Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-03 Thread Barton F Bruce
Below are a few snippets from recent posts, in no particular order, that had me saying to myself "does not anyone remember an interesting alternative I thought had come up on NANOG a few years ago?" Well maybe it was some other list, but it is not really worth going back and looking. It isn't

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-03 Thread Paul Vixie
warning-- it's sunday. pontification alert. "Ricky Beam" writes: > On Sat, 02 May 2009 00:26:37 -0400, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote: > >> ... approximation > > Even an approximation is hard to make. One might think the simple math of > "how much power is fed into the room" would do, but it ignores

Re: RE: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-02 Thread joel . mercado
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RE: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-02 Thread Alex Rubenstein
Calculating heat load in a datacenter is pretty easy. That's not the hard part. Some comments: > I am curious what formulas/equations folks use to figure out required > cooling for small datacenters in offices. The simplest equation to use assumes that you know how much power is going into the

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-02 Thread Joe Greco
> On Fri, 01 May 2009 21:32:19 -0400, William Warren > wrote: > >> Specifically, I am using the guide posted at: > >> http://www.openxtra.co.uk/articles/calculating-heat-load > > "Before you decide on an air conditioning unit you should commission an > audit from a suitably qualified air cond

RE: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-02 Thread Frank Bulk
rom: Ricky Beam [mailto:jfb...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:06 PM To: NANOG Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms On Fri, 01 May 2009 21:32:19 -0400, William Warren wrote: >> Specifically, I am using the guide posted at: >> http://

Re: Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-02 Thread joel . mercado
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Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-02 Thread Jack Bates
William Herrin wrote: You shouldn't even *have* a drop ceiling in a modern computer room. You want the room to be as tall as practical so that the air from the hot aisles has somewhere to go on its way back to the HVAC, other than back through and around the cabinets. I love my 30' ceiling. Ev

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-02 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Ricky Beam wrote: > Translation: Hire a f***ing professional. > > And that's exactly what you need to do.  Qualified HVAC installers (with > specific data center experience) will know far more than us "network types" > will ever want to know about cooling.  They do

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Ricky Beam
On Sat, 02 May 2009 00:26:37 -0400, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote: ... approximation Even an approximation is hard to make. One might think the simple math of "how much power is fed into the room" would do, but it ignores numerous factors that greatly effect the answer. I can rattle off examp

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
While all the below is true, I would put forward that many of us networking types, especially those who operate their own datacenters, generally know how to do an approximation. Afterall, if you don't have an idea of magnitude, if you haven't done your homework, your conversation with that professi

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
Ricky Beam wrote: > On Fri, 01 May 2009 21:32:19 -0400, William Warren > wrote: >>> Specifically, I am using the guide posted at: >>> http://www.openxtra.co.uk/articles/calculating-heat-load > > "Before you decide on an air conditioning unit you should commission an > audit from a suitably qualif

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Ricky Beam
On Fri, 01 May 2009 21:32:19 -0400, William Warren wrote: Specifically, I am using the guide posted at: http://www.openxtra.co.uk/articles/calculating-heat-load "Before you decide on an air conditioning unit you should commission an audit from a suitably qualified air conditioning equipment

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread William Warren
Mike Lyon wrote: Hello All, I am curious what formulas/equations folks use to figure out required cooling for small datacenters in offices. The variables I am using are the size of the room, the total amount of power available for usage and the lightning. Specifically, I am using the guide pos

Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Mike Lyon
Hello All, I am curious what formulas/equations folks use to figure out required cooling for small datacenters in offices. The variables I am using are the size of the room, the total amount of power available for usage and the lightning. Specifically, I am using the guide posted at: http://www.