Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-19 Thread David W. Hankins
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 03:42:29PM -0400, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > If you want to test a resource, be it the end user or an infrastructure > interface, how do you know how to foo it (foo being some value of ping, > traceroute, look it up in SNMP/NetFlow, etc)? > > I submit that if you use dyna

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-19 Thread Darden, Patrick S.
rkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:42 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 This was especially a question when L2 was "in" and routing was out: how do you ping a MAC address?

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 vs IP Address Lifecycle Management

2008-08-18 Thread John Lee
, 2008 3:42 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 To try to stay operational about this, I have a reality testing question I've used in IPv4 and, for that matter, bridged networks: If you want to test a resource, be it the end user or an infrastructure interface, h

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread David W. Hankins
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:11:16PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > Forget about it on XP, but it's in Vista. You can add it to BSD/Linux > without too much trouble (are there good, bugfree implementations for those > yet?) If anyone is aware of any bugs in ISC dhclient -6, please submit the

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Justin Shore
Charles Wyble wrote: This was especially a question when L2 was "in" and routing was out: how do you ping a MAC address? l2ping works on bluetooth devices on Linux. Might work for other stuff as well. Not sure what Cisco offers in this regard. The ideal solution would be OAM. Of course

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Charles Wyble wrote: http://internecine.eu/systems/windows_xp-ipv6.html and http://internecine.eu/software/dibbler_dhcpv6.html discuss how to deploy dhcpv6 on xp. It's 3rd party but doable. Hmmm I'm getting "You don't have permission to access /systems/windows_xp-ipv6.ht

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Sean Siler
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 Sean Siler wrote: > Nope. XP does not support DHCPv6 - only Vista/Windows Server 2008 (and later) > can do that. > > Sean http://internecine.eu/systems/windows_xp-ipv6.html and http://internecine.eu/software/dibbler_dhcpv6.html di

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Charles Wyble wrote: Forget about it on XP, Hmmm. MS says otherwise: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/ipv6/ipv6faq.mspx None of the XP systems here (even with all the latest service packs installed) seem to do DHCPv6. but it's in Vista. You can add it to BSD/

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Sean Siler wrote: Nope. XP does not support DHCPv6 - only Vista/Windows Server 2008 (and later) can do that. Sean http://internecine.eu/systems/windows_xp-ipv6.html and http://internecine.eu/software/dibbler_dhcpv6.html discuss how to deploy dhcpv6 on xp. It's 3rd party but doable.

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:27:56 -0700 > From: Charles Wyble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > On 18 aug 2008, at 22:23, Dale W. Carder wrote: > > > >> DHCPv6 > >> - doesn't ship w/ some OS's > > > > Forget about it on XP, > > Hmmm. MS says otherwise: > http://www.microso

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Sean Siler
Nope. XP does not support DHCPv6 - only Vista/Windows Server 2008 (and later) can do that. Sean -Original Message- From: TJ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 >-Original Message- &g

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread TJ
>-Original Message- >From: Charles Wyble [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:28 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 > >Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >> On 18 aug 2008, at 22:23, Dale W. Carder wrote: >>

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 18 aug 2008, at 22:23, Dale W. Carder wrote: DHCPv6 - doesn't ship w/ some OS's Forget about it on XP, Hmmm. MS says otherwise: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/ipv6/ipv6faq.mspx but it's in Vista. You can add it to BSD/Linux without too much troubl

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread David W. Hankins
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:52:50PM -0700, Scott Weeks wrote: > Seeing Howard's quick response saying "To try to stay operational > about this..." makes me realize I may have inadvertently invited a > religious flame fest. I guess that rules me out. :( > Please! Operational content and hands-on e

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 18 aug 2008, at 22:23, Dale W. Carder wrote: - really, really, really broken: it didn't support handing out any DNS info until RFC 5006, thus SLAAC still requires human intervention on a client to make "teh v6 interwebs" work. While I agree that it is bad that the DNS configuration issue

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread TJ
>-Original Message- >From: Dale W. Carder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:24 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: nanog@nanog.org >Subject: Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 > > >Hey Scott, > >On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Scott W

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread TJ
>-Original Message- >From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:42 PM >To: nanog@nanog.org >Subject: RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 > >To try to stay operational about this, I have a reality testing question >I've used

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread TJ
>-Original Message- >From: Scott Weeks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:34 PM >To: nanog@nanog.org >Subject: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 > > > >-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >From: "TJ" <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Charles Wyble
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: To try to stay operational about this, H. I think this is an operational topic, but I can see how it would be seen as more of a strategic item. I have a reality testing question I've used in IPv4 and, for that matter, bridged networks: I submit that if you use

Re: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Dale W. Carder
Hey Scott, On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: From: "TJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As a general rule, most clients are following the "If we gave them static IPv4 addresses we will give them static IPv6 addresses" (infrastructure, servers, etc). The

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Scott Weeks
The whole SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 is a separate (albeit related) conversation ... I'm still an IPv6 wussie and would like to learn more before moving forward, so would anyone care to share info on experiences with this decision? -- [

RE: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
This was especially a question when L2 was "in" and routing was out: how do you ping a MAC address? Howard -Original Message- From: Scott Weeks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:34 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6 ---

SLAAC(autoconfig) vs DHCPv6

2008-08-18 Thread Scott Weeks
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "TJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As a general rule, most clients are following the "If we gave them static IPv4 addresses we will give them static IPv6 addresses" (infrastructure, servers, etc). The whole SLAAC(autoconfi