RE: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-09 Thread Paul Francis
inal Message- > From: Jean-François Mezei [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:21 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation > > Paul Francis wrote: > > > AS, or even dozens. So I'm curious

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Jean-François Mezei
Paul Francis wrote: > AS, or even dozens. So I'm curious...if we could wave a magic wand and > control the exact number of entries any AS needs to advertise, what would > folks consider to be roughly the right number of entries? Wouldn't this greatly depend on the span/breath of your network ? I

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Mon, September 8, 2008 09:46, Scott Brim wrote: > Also, ASNs are not > aggregatable so we can't use them to represent a large number of > independently routed networks. Scott, I'm not sure an Autonomous System would want to be aggregated. By its nature it is capable of having arbitrary connec

RE: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Boyd, Benjamin R
>-Original Message- >From: Paul Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:31 PM >To: Ricardo Oliveira; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation > > >This thread begs an interesting question: what

RE: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Paul Francis
om: Ricardo Oliveira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:11 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation > > Topological aggregation based on ASN is often too course > granularity, see this paper: > http://www.cs.u

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Ricardo Oliveira
Topological aggregation based on ASN is often too course granularity, see this paper: http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~rveloso/papers/giro.pdf specifically Fig4 is a good example, and sec 4C. Cheers, --Ricardo On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:20 AM, yangyang. wang wrote: Hi, everyone: For routing scalabili

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Dave Israel
If I understand you right, what you're suggesting is that, in place of a MED or a localpref, I deploy a layer 2 filter on all of my devices for every prefix I want to touch the policy for at a level more granular than AS. This does not improve the scalability of BGP, it destroys that scalability

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread yangyang. wang
Thank you, Scott. TE is a key reason for using specific prefixes. I think that most TEs are deployed in intra-domain, and the inter-domain TEs applied to downstream AS multihomed to many different upstream ASes could be made thru AS number based aggregation. The TE between two ASes with many links

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:46 AM, Scott Brim wrote: Excerpts from yangyang. wang on Mon, Sep 08, 2008 09:20:38PM +0800: Hi, everyone: For routing scalability issues, I have a question: why not deploy AS number based routing scheme? BGP is path vector protocol and the shortest paths are cal

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Jeroen Massar
Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:20 AM, yangyang. wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, everyone: >> >> For routing scalability issues, I have a question: why not deploy AS >> number based routing scheme? BGP is path vector protocol and the shortest >> paths are calculated

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:20 AM, yangyang. wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, everyone: > > For routing scalability issues, I have a question: why not deploy AS > number based routing scheme? BGP is path vector protocol and the shortest > paths are calculated based on traversed AS numbers. T

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:20 AM, yangyang. wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For routing scalability issues, I have a question: why not deploy AS > number based routing scheme? BGP is path vector protocol and the shortest > paths are calculated based on traversed AS numbers. The prefixes in the

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Scott Brim
Excerpts from yangyang. wang on Mon, Sep 08, 2008 09:20:38PM +0800: > Hi, everyone: > > For routing scalability issues, I have a question: why not deploy AS > number based routing scheme? BGP is path vector protocol and the shortest > paths are calculated based on traversed AS numbers. The p

Re: why not AS number based prefixes aggregation

2008-09-08 Thread Nathan Ward
On 9/09/2008, at 1:20 AM, yangyang. wang wrote: Hi, everyone: For routing scalability issues, I have a question: why not deploy AS number based routing scheme? BGP is path vector protocol and the shortest paths are calculated based on traversed AS numbers. The prefixes in the same A