Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-16 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.12.13 16:28, Dorn Hetzel wrote: > Yeah, well, sorta. sorta not so much :) LOL. Mark-to-market... facilitating the booking of revenue to make it *appear* as though a business unit has a successful product. Steve

RE: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-15 Thread George Bonser
> From: Jeff Wheeler > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:24 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother > > Invisible Hand Networks was really meant to be a spot market. The > same problem exists with bandwidth spot markets that alwa

Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-15 Thread Jeff Wheeler
- > From: Laurent GUERBY [mailto:laur...@guerby.net] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:07 PM > To: George Bonser > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother > > On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 19:36 -0800, George Bonser wrote: >> (...) The financ

RE: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-15 Thread Ryan Finnesey
, derivatives, and big brother On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 19:36 -0800, George Bonser wrote: > (...) The financial derivatives market isn't, in my opinion, a good > analogy of the peering market. A data packet is "perishable" and must > be moved quickly. The destination network wants t

Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-13 Thread Dorn Hetzel
Yeah, well, sorta. sorta not so much :) On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM, George Bonser wrote: > > The electricity spot market is close to your definition of > > "perishable": > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_market > > > > It has a derivative market, google for "electricity deriv

RE: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-13 Thread George Bonser
> The electricity spot market is close to your definition of > "perishable": > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_market > > It has a derivative market, google for "electricity derivatives" will > give you some papers and models. > > I'm pretty sure electricity and bandwidth share some p

Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-13 Thread Laurent GUERBY
On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 19:36 -0800, George Bonser wrote: > (...) The financial derivatives market isn't, in my opinion, a good analogy of > the peering market. A data packet is "perishable" and must be moved > quickly. The destination network wants the packet in order to keep > their customer happ

RE: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-12 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Jeff Wheeler > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:36 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: peering, derivatives, and big brother > > A read through this New York Times article on derivatives clearing, > and the exclusivity that big banks seek to maintain, woul

Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-12 Thread Ken
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 01:36:08PM -0500, Jeff Wheeler said: >A read through this New York Times article on derivatives clearing, >and the exclusivity that big banks seek to maintain, would look very >much like an article on large-scale peering, to someone who is not >expert in both topics.