Re: airFiber

2012-04-02 Thread Josh Baird
ork I've managed, > anything sub 1ms is acceptable. > > Dylan > > -Original Message- > From: John van Oppen [mailto:jvanop...@spectrumnet.us] > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:22 PM > To: 'Andrew McConachie'; Marshall Eubanks > Cc: NANOG list > Subject

RE: airFiber

2012-04-02 Thread Dylan Bouterse
day, March 31, 2012 2:22 PM To: 'Andrew McConachie'; Marshall Eubanks Cc: NANOG list Subject: RE: airFiber We actually have a lot of the old gigabeam radios in service, they are faster than the published specs of the airfiber links (1G full duplex vs 750 mbit/sec fd) and lower laten

RE: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread John van Oppen
We actually have a lot of the old gigabeam radios in service, they are faster than the published specs of the airfiber links (1G full duplex vs 750 mbit/sec fd) and lower latency due to their very simplistic design. To be honest, from a network engineering standpoint, the gigabeams were conv

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Blake Covarrubias
> Often such a feature is an option within the radio configuration. Where wired > side > link follows wireless link. To me that never seemed like a good idea because > I need > to get into the radio during a wireless link-down situation. Maybe if there > was > an OOB ethernet port it could wor

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Michael Loftis
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 7:14 AM, ML wrote: > Often such a feature is an option within the radio configuration. Where > wired side > link follows wireless link.  To me that never seemed like a good idea > because I need > to get into the radio during a wireless link-down situation.  Maybe if there

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 3/31/2012 6:14 AM, ML wrote: Often such a feature is an option within the radio configuration. Where wired side link follows wireless link. To me that never seemed like a good idea because I need to get into the radio during a wireless link-down situation. Maybe if there was an OOB ether

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread ML
On 3/31/2012 6:12 AM, Andrew McConachie wrote: Is this any different than what GigaBeam tried before they went bankrupt. http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=177145 Their website only shows a control panel login now so I think they've gone completely out of business. The only reaso

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > Claim: 1.4 GBit/s over up to 13 km, 24 GHZ, @3 kUSD/link price point. > > http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber Claims are actually "Up to 1.4 Gbps" and "Up to 13 km"; those two conditions probably cannot be satisfied together. 1.4 Gbps is actually

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Andrew McConachie
>> Nick Olsen >> Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106 >> >> ---- >>  From: "Drew Weaver" >> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:27 PM >> To: "Jared Mauch" , "Eugen Leitl" >> Subject: RE: air

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Marshall Eubanks
ursday, March 29, 2012 1:27 PM > To: "Jared Mauch" , "Eugen Leitl" > Subject: RE: airFiber > > I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes it sometimes > tricky. > > Thanks, > -Drew > > -Original Message- > From: Jare

Re: airFiber

2012-03-30 Thread Rodrick Brown
n > them. > > Nick Olsen > Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 > > > From: "Drew Weaver" > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:27 PM > To: "Jared Mauch" , "Eugen Leitl" > Subject: RE: airFiber

RE: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-30 Thread Mark Gauvin
7;t. Greg > > Dylan > > -----Original Message- > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:18 PM > To: Oliver Garraux > Cc: NANOG list > Subject: Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video) > > > On Mar 29, 2012, at

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-30 Thread Greg Ihnen
that are synced, that is transmitters belonging to the same system. Someone else's system won't be synced with yours and you won't see that benefit. So if you're thinking that's going to help between competitors it won't. Greg > > Dylan > > -Origina

RE: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-30 Thread Dylan Bouterse
com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:18 PM To: Oliver Garraux Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video) On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Oliver Garraux wrote: >> Also keep in mind this is unlicensed gear (think unprotected airspace). >> Nothing stops everyone e

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Oliver Garraux wrote: >> Also keep in mind this is unlicensed gear (think unprotected airspace). >> Nothing stops everyone else in town from throwing one up and soon you're >> drowning in a high noise floor and it goes slow or doesn't work at all. Like >> what's h

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Joel jaeggli wrote: > Cost will continue to drop, fact of the matter is the beam width is > rather narrow and they attenuate rather well so you can have a fair > number of them deployed without co-channel interference. if you pack a > tower full of them you're goin

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 3/29/12 21:53 , Jonathan Lassoff wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Oliver Garraux wrote: >> I was at Ubiquiti's conference. I don't disagree with what you're >> saying. Ubiquiti's take on it seemed to be that 24 Ghz would likely >> never be used to the extent that 2.4 / 5.8 is. They

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Oliver Garraux wrote: > I was at Ubiquiti's conference.  I don't disagree with what you're > saying.  Ubiquiti's take on it seemed to be that 24 Ghz would likely > never be used to the extent that 2.4 / 5.8 is.  They are seeing 24 Ghz > as only for backhaul - no c

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Anurag Bhatia
Probably it will be a good alternate to FSO based laswer links for backhual. Probably cheaper & more reliable solution then hanging lasers between towers for backhaul? On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Oliver Garraux wrote: > > Also keep in mind this is unlicensed gear (think unprotected airspace)

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Oliver Garraux
> Also keep in mind this is unlicensed gear (think unprotected airspace). > Nothing stops everyone else in town from throwing one up and soon you're > drowning in a high noise floor and it goes slow or doesn't work at all. Like > what's happened to 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz in a lot of places. There's f

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Greg Ihnen
Respectfully, the claim isn't a "decline in the cost of backhaul bandwidth between 10 and 100 times", the claim is "Operators will be able to get 10 to 100 times more data throughput for the same dollar." which granted is a very good thing, but it does not imply how much more money one would hav

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Gordon Cook
On Mar 29, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > Anyhow, check the > video out on ubnt.com for an introduction and technical overview - > it's worth watching. The claim is a huge decline in the cost of backhaul bandwidth for wisps between 10 and 100 times. I have just finished the preparation

RE: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Nick Olsen
sday, March 29, 2012 1:27 PM To: "Jared Mauch" , "Eugen Leitl" Subject: RE: airFiber I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes it sometimes tricky. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] Sent: Th

Re: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Josh Baird
They are taking pre-orders now for a (hopefully) June delivery. I'm at a conference now and got the rundown yesterday from Ubiquiti. This product was designed completely from the ground up by the former Motorola Canopy 100 team. It -should- deliver ~700mbit in both directions @ full duplex. Not

Re: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Phil Regnauld
Drew Weaver (drew.weaver) writes: > I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes it sometimes > tricky. > > Thanks, > -Drew Define perfect line of sight ? How is this different from any other wireless link and the associated Fresnel zone ? http://en.wik

RE: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Drew Weaver
I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes it sometimes tricky. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:45 PM To: Eugen Leitl Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: airFiber On Thu, Mar 29, 2012

Re: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 06:34:21PM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > Claim: 1.4 GBit/s over up to 13 km, 24 GHZ, @3 kUSD/link price point. > > http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber Yeah, I got this note the other day. I am very interested in hearing about folks experience with this hardware once it