Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

Is it time to drop this yet? Three weeks old. Let's move on. Richard Golodner

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On 31/05/2012 17:11, cncr04s/Randy wrote: > My comment was directed at government spending... no need to have such > a angry tone about the "comment". I was only comparing to what I spend > on my large volumes of queries and what this so called expensive stuff > the government is running... And

RE: Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer 'blackouts' inevitable

> > > Exactly how much can it cost to serve up those requests... I mean for > > 9$ a month I have a cpu that handles 2000 *Recursive* Queries a > > second. 900 bux could net me *200,000* a second if not more. > > The government overspends on a lot of things.. they need some one whos > > got the ex

Re: Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:39 AM, wrote: > On Thu, 31 May 2012 08:14:40 -0500, "cncr04s/Randy" said: > >> Exactly how much can it cost to serve up those requests... I mean for >> 9$ a month I have a cpu that handles 2000 *Recursive* Queries a >> second. 900 bux could net me *200,000* a second if

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

In a message written on Thu, May 31, 2012 at 08:14:40AM -0500, cncr04s/Randy wrote: > Exactly how much can it cost to serve up those requests... I mean for > 9$ a month I have a cpu that handles 2000 *Recursive* Queries a > second. 900 bux could net me *200,000* a second if not more. > The governm

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Thu, 31 May 2012, cncr04s/Randy wrote: Exactly how much can it cost to serve up those requests... I mean for 9$ a month I have a cpu that handles 2000 *Recursive* Queries a second. 900 bux could net me *200,000* a second if not more. The government overspends on a lot of things.. they need

Re: Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Thu, 31 May 2012 08:14:40 -0500, "cncr04s/Randy" said: > Exactly how much can it cost to serve up those requests... I mean for > 9$ a month I have a cpu that handles 2000 *Recursive* Queries a > second. 900 bux could net me *200,000* a second if not more. > The government overspends on a lot of

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

cncr04s/Randy wrote: Exactly how much can it cost to serve up those requests... I mean for 9$ a month I have a cpu that handles 2000 *Recursive* Queries a second. 900 bux could net me *200,000* a second if not more. The government overspends on a lot of things.. Looks like you just answered you

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:14 AM, cncr04s/Randy wrote: > Exactly how much can it cost to serve up those requests... I mean for > 9$ a month I have a cpu that handles 2000 *Recursive* Queries a network bandwidth people/monitoring router(s) redundancy geo-local copies you are asking the wrong ques

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > > [Dnschanger substitute server operations] > > > One thing is clear, Paul is able to tell a great story. > > PR for ISC is somewhat limited, it's often attributed to the FBI: > > | The effort, scheduled to begin this afternoon, is designed

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

[Dnschanger substitute server operations] > One thing is clear, Paul is able to tell a great story. PR for ISC is somewhat limited, it's often attributed to the FBI: | The effort, scheduled to begin this afternoon, is designed to let | those people know that their Internet connections will stop

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

- Original Message - > From: "George Herbert" > > Come on George, hosts.txt was the good old days :) > > An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age? Hokey files and ancient protocols are no match for a good resolver at your side, kid. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On 5/23/2012 6:27 PM, George Herbert wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM, wrote: One could make the case that the releases before Paul got there weren't exactly popular - how many DNS servers were in production in 1986? ;) Please don't make me remember hosts.txt before I've had a chance

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On 23/05/2012 22:00, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > One thing is clear, Paul is able to tell a great story. Bill, can you please take your snide remarks about Paul Vixie offline? Nick

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

Save the good scotch for lmhosts :) On May 23, 2012, at 9:27 PM, George Herbert wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM, wrote: >> On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:09:09 -0700, Leo Bicknell said: >> >>> "In 1988, while employed by DEC, he started working on the popular >>>internet domain name

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

The best policy, sometimes, when one sees something questionable on Wikipedia, is to point it out on the talk page, and trust that others will do the dirty work.. as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paul_Vixie#.22Father_of_BIND.22 j On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > In

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 06:42:34PM -0700, Lynda wrote: > On 5/23/2012 6:35 PM, Brett Watson wrote: > > > On May 23, 2012, at 18:27, George Herbert wrote: > > >> Please don't make me remember hosts.txt before I've had a chance to > >> wrap up work, go home, and get some Scotch in... > > > Come

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On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Brett Watson wrote: > On May 23, 2012, at 18:27, George Herbert wrote: >> Please don't make me remember hosts.txt before I've had a chance to >> wrap up work, go home, and get some Scotch in... >> > > Come on George, hosts.txt was the good old days :) An elegant

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On 5/23/2012 6:35 PM, Brett Watson wrote: On May 23, 2012, at 18:27, George Herbert wrote: Please don't make me remember hosts.txt before I've had a chance to wrap up work, go home, and get some Scotch in... Come on George, hosts.txt was the good old days :) I still have a copy (from ar

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On May 23, 2012, at 18:27, George Herbert wrote: > > Please don't make me remember hosts.txt before I've had a chance to > wrap up work, go home, and get some Scotch in... > Come on George, hosts.txt was the good old days :) -b

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:42 PM, wrote: > On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:09:09 -0700, Leo Bicknell said: > >>   "In 1988, while employed by DEC, he started working on the popular >>    internet domain name server BIND, of which he was the primary author and >>    architect, until release 8." >> >> ISC ha

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:09:09 -0700, Leo Bicknell said: > "In 1988, while employed by DEC, he started working on the popular >internet domain name server BIND, of which he was the primary author and >architect, until release 8." > > ISC has spent some effort on properly documenting the hi

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 04:33:28PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:40 AM, wrote: > > Paul will be there to turn things off when > >they no longer make money for his company. > > is the dns changer thingy making money for isc? pretty sure. a contract

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:40 AM, wrote: > Paul will be there to turn things off when >        they no longer make money for his company. is the dns changer thingy making money for isc?

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On May 23, 2012, at 8:22 AM, na...@namor.ca wrote: > On Tue, 22 May 2012, Michael J Wise wrote: > >> So at some point, the lights are gonna be turned off. >> It's a shame the ISPs who have the infected users have done less to mitigate >> the issue. > > To be fair, and take issue with this, it'

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

In a message written on Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:35:05PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > father of bind? that's news. I believe the error is in Paul Vixie's Wikipedia page, and I don't do Wikipedia editing so I won't be fixing it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Vixie "In 1988, while employed by

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On 2012-05-23, at 00:10, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > BIND - The Berkeley Internet Naming Daemon. "Berkeley Internet Name Domain", in fact. http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/1984/CSD-84-182.pdf Joe

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It makes for a more sensational story. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com > >> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 07:14:16PM -0700, Henry Linneweh wrote: >> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/17/dns_changer_blackout

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

- Original Message - > From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 07:14:16PM -0700, Henry Linneweh wrote: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/17/dns_changer_blackouts/ > > Paul certainly knows how to manipulate the press. You don't know journalists very well, do y

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On Tue, 22 May 2012, Michael J Wise wrote: So at some point, the lights are gonna be turned off. It's a shame the ISPs who have the infected users have done less to mitigate the issue. To be fair, and take issue with this, it's not all on the ISPs, is it? I've been seeing our counts decrease

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ?blackouts? inevitable

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 03:10:38PM +0300, Frank Habicht wrote a message of 13 lines which said: > Is there anywhere a page where one can type an ASN or a CIDR block > and then the whois contacts get a list of IPs that still contact the > unintended servers? See

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

Hi, dnschanger gonna be a mess? that's not news. Is there anywhere a page where one can type an ASN or a CIDR block and then the whois contacts get a list of IPs that still contact the unintended servers? (I had done ACL with log on borders, and resolvers did show up too. So maybe some N

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On 5/23/12 1:40 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > In a modestly favorable light, ISC looks like an arms dealer (DNS > redirection) > to the bad guys my thought "looks like a reasonably successful alternate root operator". i mention kevin dunlap as well as bill's mention of phil a

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On May 22, 2012, at 9:10 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 08:52:52PM -0700, Michael J Wise wrote: >> >> On May 22, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> >>> father of bind? that's news. >> >>

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On May 22, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> When those servers are turned off, Customer Support folks at many >>> ISPs will prolly want to take their accrued vacation. >> Amen. And there will be thousands more of them when the court order >> expires than existed when the Feds called him

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

>> When those servers are turned off, Customer Support folks at many >> ISPs will prolly want to take their accrued vacation. > Amen. And there will be thousands more of them when the court order > expires than existed when the Feds called him in. they could extend the court order, or prolong the

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:07:52PM -0700, Michael J Wise wrote: > > On May 22, 2012, at 9:10 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 08:52:52PM -0700, Michael J Wise wrote: > >> > >> On May 22, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> > >>> father of bind? that's

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On May 22, 2012, at 9:10 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 08:52:52PM -0700, Michael J Wise wrote: >> >> On May 22, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> >>> father of bind? that's news. >> >>

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> As for being there and "Put The Fix In"... Makes for great PR but in > actual fact, its a bandaid that is not going to stem the tide. maybe we could wad up the sensationalist and self-aggrandizing newspaper articles and use them to plug the dike? randy

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 08:52:52PM -0700, Michael J Wise wrote: > > On May 22, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > > father of bind? that's news. > > > > He was there, and Put The Fix In, to down the network.

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On May 22, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > father of bind? that's news. He was there, and Put The Fix In, to down the network. I gather he's the one pulling it out on the appointed day as well. > dnschanger gon

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 07:14:16PM -0700, Henry Linneweh wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/17/dns_changer_blackouts/ > > -Henry Paul certainly knows how to manipulate the press. /bill

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

father of bind? that's news. dnschanger gonna be a mess? that's not news. randy