> said records, required.
>
> As soon as you do business with the govt, the overhead goes through the roof.
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Patrick Giagnocavo [mailto:patr...@zill.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:02 PM
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
overhead goes through the roof.
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Giagnocavo [mailto:patr...@zill.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:02 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: U.S. Plans Cyber Shield for Utilities, Companies
>
> andrew.wallace wrote:
&g
On Jul 8, 2010, at 9:26 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
>>
>> I'm not familiar with cable break splicing procedures, but is it even
>> possible to pay extra to have your splice done first? I would think
>> that the logistics of splicing are such that the guy down in the hole
>> doesn't kn
On 7/8/2010 09:59, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> I think that there needs to be a balance.
I think it needs to be the purview of the custodian of the facility.
Not some political wonk.
--
Somebody should have said:
A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Freedom un
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Joe Greco wrote:
> > There's a happy medium in there somewhere; it's not clear that having (to
> > use the examples given) air traffic control computers directly on the
> > Internet has sufficient value to outweigh the risks. However, it seems
> > that being able to securely
On Jul 8, 2010, at 11:56 AM, J. Oquendo wrote:
> @Jared's TSP link... Wonder how this will affect VoIP ITSP's etal, e.g.,
> how many local NS/EP's have swapped over to VoIP. Logically, anyone with
> a network running a managed VoIP service, trunk, etc., could qualify.
This certainly is a frequen
Owen DeLong wrote:
[snip]
I know this from being a pilot, and, also from having toured the following
ATC facilities:
Towers:
TRACONs:
ARTCCs:
Ditto to absolutely EVERYTHING that Owen said, and I can guarantee this
further, having had experience with various east coast and southeastern
To
On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:13 AM, George Bonser wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Brandon Ross
>> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:52 AM
>> To: Michael Painter
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: U.S. Plans Cyber Shield for Utilities, Co
On 7/8/2010 9:51 AM, Brandon Ross wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Michael Painter wrote:
Have we all gone mad?
I find it hard to understand that a nuclear power plant, air-traffic
control network, or electrical grid would be 'linked' to the Internet
in the interest of 'efficiency'. Air gap them a
On Jul 8, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Brandon Ross wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Joe Greco wrote:
>
>> There's a happy medium in there somewhere; it's not clear that having (to
>> use the examples given) air traffic control computers directly on the
>> Internet has sufficient value to outweigh the risks.
> -Original Message-
> From: Brandon Ross
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:52 AM
> To: Michael Painter
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: U.S. Plans Cyber Shield for Utilities, Companies
>
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Michael Painter wrote:
>
> > Have we al
andrew.wallace wrote:
Article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html
My opinion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html#articleTabs%3Dcomments%26commentId%3D1330685
Politifact has an interesting article on th
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, J. Oquendo wrote:
Brandon Ross wrote:
Do people really think the guy in the airport control tower is really
surfing Facebook while he's controlling aircraft on the same computer, or
that capability is even what is under consideration?
"Air traffic controller suspended for
Brandon Ross wrote:
>
> Do people really think the guy in the airport control tower is really
> surfing Facebook while he's controlling aircraft on the same computer, or
> that capability is even what is under consideration?
>
"Air traffic controller suspended for allowing son to radio instructions
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:51:52AM -0400, Brandon Ross wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Michael Painter wrote:
>
> >Have we all gone mad?
>
> Absolutely! For example, those thousands of flight plans filed every day
> by airlines across the globe, not to mention private flights, should be
> done ma
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Joe Greco wrote:
There's a happy medium in there somewhere; it's not clear that having (to
use the examples given) air traffic control computers directly on the
Internet has sufficient value to outweigh the risks. However, it seems
that being able to securely gateway appropr
Michael Painter wrote:
>
> Have we all gone mad?
> I find it hard to understand that a nuclear power plant, air-traffic
> control network, or electrical grid would be 'linked' to the Internet
> in the interest of 'efficiency'. Air gap them all and let them apply
> for "Inefficiency Relief" from th
In a message written on Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 08:12:29AM -0700, JC Dill wrote:
> I'm not familiar with cable break splicing procedures, but is it even
> possible to pay extra to have your splice done first? I would think
> that the logistics of splicing are such that the guy down in the hole
> d
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:12:29 PDT, JC Dill said:
> valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> > What's the going rate these days that you have to pay to make sure your
> > fiber
> > gets spliced first rather than that other customer's 10GE?
> I'm not familiar with cable break splicing procedures, but is i
> I find it hard to understand that a nuclear power plant, air-traffic
> control network, or electrical grid would be 'linked' to the Internet
> in the interest of 'efficiency'.
The Davis-Besse nuclear generating station computers were hit by the SQL
Slammer / Saphire worm back in 2003.
http:/
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
What's the going rate these days that you have to pay to make sure your fiber
gets spliced first rather than that other customer's 10GE?
I'm not familiar with cable break splicing procedures, but is it even
possible to pay extra to have your splice done first?
On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:12 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:16:27 -1000, Michael Painter said:
I find it hard to understand that a nuclear power plant, air-
traffic control
network, or electrical grid would be 'linked' to the Internet in
the interest
of 'efficiency'.
On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:12 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> What's the going rate these days that you have to pay to make sure your fiber
> gets spliced first rather than that other customer's 10GE? And what's it
> cost to do it for all 2,397 links? And if your electrical-grid fiber is
> in t
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:16:27 -1000, Michael Painter said:
> I find it hard to understand that a nuclear power plant, air-traffic control
> network, or electrical grid would be 'linked' to the Internet in the interest
> of 'efficiency'. Air gap them all and let them apply for "Inefficiency
> Reli
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Michael Painter wrote:
>
> > Have we all gone mad?
> > I find it hard to understand that a nuclear power plant, air-traffic
> > control
> > network, or electrical grid would be 'linked' to the Internet in the
> > interest
> > of 'efficiency'. Air gap them all and let the
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Michael Painter wrote:
Have we all gone mad?
I find it hard to understand that a nuclear power plant, air-traffic control
network, or electrical grid would be 'linked' to the Internet in the interest
of 'efficiency'. Air gap them all and let them apply for "Inefficiency
R
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Michael Painter wrote:
> Have we all gone mad?
> I find it hard to understand that a nuclear power plant, air-traffic control
> network, or electrical grid would be 'linked' to the Internet in the
> interest of 'efficiency'. Air gap them all and let them apply for
andrew.wallace wrote:
Article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html
My opinion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html#articleTabs%3Dcomments%26commentId%3D1330685
"Perfect Citizen will look at large, typically o
On 2010-07-07 19:14, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:
andrew.wallace wrote:
Article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html
Why does it cost $100 million to install and configure OpenBSD on a
bunch of old systems?
Havi
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 22:02:24 EDT, Patrick Giagnocavo said:
> andrew.wallace wrote:
> > Article:
> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html
> >
>
> Why does it cost $100 million to install and configure OpenBSD on a
> bunch of old systems?
That's the first
You forgot
-It is carrier grade, ISO certified and other certification program not worth
the paper it is printed on.
- Original Message -
From: "Jon Lewis"
To: "Patrick Giagnocavo"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, 8 July, 2010 2:14:53 PM
Subject: Re: U.S. Pl
ROFL
You forgot E) Oversight by a committee and F) All of the above
On 7/7/10 9:14 PM, "Jon Lewis" wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:
>
>> andrew.wallace wrote:
>>> Article:
>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.ht
>>> ml
>>>
>>
>
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:
> Why does it cost $100 million to install and configure OpenBSD on a
> bunch of old systems?
I think you've misunderstood the question if you think "openbsd on
old systems" is the answer.
:)
Adrian
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote:
andrew.wallace wrote:
Article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html
Why does it cost $100 million to install and configure OpenBSD on a
bunch of old systems?
A) it's being done for the government
B) it'
andrew.wallace wrote:
> Article:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html
>
Why does it cost $100 million to install and configure OpenBSD on a
bunch of old systems?
--Patrick
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