Mike Hammett wrote:
In no way is what I said wrong. Incumbent operators (coax or copper
pairs) screw things up constantly (whether technically or in the
business side of things), prompting a sea of independent operators
to overbuild them (or fill in where they haven't).
See below:
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Micro trenching...in suburban or rural deployments?
On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 7:59 PM Kevin Shymkiw wrote:
> Clayton,
>
> Did you leverage things like micro trenching for this project? I may be
> mislead, but I thought micro trenching these days has helped drive the cost
> of doing this down fairl
oing to be there for 3 years.
>
> You'd think in the 3 years in the US South it would be grown over and
> buried itself. 😉
>
> --
> *From:* NANOG on behalf of
> Patrick Garner
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2023 10:16 AM
> *To:* nanog@
- Original Message -
From: "Masataka Ohta"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 8:27:07 AM
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
Mike Hammett wrote:
> Where did you think that condensation was going to get you in
> this conv
Mike Hammett wrote:
Where did you think that condensation was going to get you in
this conversation?
I was involved in this thread because of your totally wrong
statement of:
: I selfishly hope they don't because that's where independent
: operators will succeed. ;-)
First of all, "Spectrum
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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Except there are literally thousands of independent ISPs in the US,
> many 10+ years old that aren't likely to be going anywhere and
> they are moving to constructing their own w
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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Except there are literally thousands of independent ISPs in the US,
> many 10+ years old that aren't likely to be going anywhere and
> they are moving to constructing their own w
Mike Hammett wrote:
Except there are literally thousands of independent ISPs in the US,
> many 10+ years old that aren't likely to be going anywhere and
> they are moving to constructing their own wireline.
Many ILECs enjoying regional monopoly should be 100+ years old:
https://en.wik
WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Masataka Ohta"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 6:56:02 PM
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
Mike Hammett wrote:
> Maybe it's not as hard as everyone says?
That's exactly the
Mike Hammett wrote:
Maybe it's not as hard as everyone says?
That's exactly the way of thinking by investors during
bubble.
It should be noted that corona virus not only caused
depression against which QE policy was chosen but also
forced people stay at home.
As such, investing on internet a
Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: Masataka Ohta
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:14:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
Mike Hammett wrote:
> Yet the independents are doing it anyway.
Petit bubble caused by quanti
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Kuhnke"
To: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
Cc: "nanog list"
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:46:01 PM
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
It might look low cost until you look at a post-1980
Patrick
Garner
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:16 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List (Patrick
Garner)
We have the same issue here in suburban Atlanta but with Comcast. The Comcast
ped in my front yard has no cover... it's exp
We have the same issue here in suburban Atlanta but with Comcast. The
Comcast ped in my front yard has no cover... it's exposed to the elements.
There's a bright orange cable running from there to my neighbor's house,
it's been there for at least 3 years. At the least, it doesn't touch my
property.
: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:46:01 PM
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
It might look low cost until you look at a post-1980s suburb in the USA or
Canada where 100% of the utilities are underground. There may be no fiber or
duct routes. Just old coax use
At 08:43 PM 02/02/2023, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
There is "microtrenching" and then there is
microtrenching. Very different things are
sometimes described by the same name. Some of
what Google tried to go was exceedingly shallow,
like 4 inches down. Cheap microtrenching done
too quick and too shall
There is "microtrenching" and then there is microtrenching. Very different
things are sometimes described by the same name. Some of what Google tried
to go was exceedingly shallow, like 4 inches down. Cheap microtrenching
done too quick and too shallow has given the concept a bad name.
There is mi
- On Feb 2, 2023, at 4:55 PM, Clayton Zekelman clay...@mnsi.net wrote:
> The cost is not low. Trust me on that. I've been involved in a pretty massive
> suburban fibre deployment for the past decade...
My neighborhood is currently serviced by coax only. A contractor for Frontier is
digging,
It may. We don't use it. Too many freeze/thaw
cycles each winter around here. It would get destroyed in a few years.
Google tried to cheap out in Louisville... didn't
quite work out
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/7/18215743/google-fiber-leaving-louisville-service-ending
- although that
Clayton,
Did you leverage things like micro trenching for this project? I may be
mislead, but I thought micro trenching these days has helped drive the cost
of doing this down fairly significantly.
Kevin
On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 17:56 Clayton Zekelman wrote:
>
> The cost is not low. Trust me o
The cost is not low. Trust me on that. I've
been involved in a pretty massive suburban fibre
deployment for the past decade... I expect we'll
make money sometime in the 2030's... in time for me to retire.
At 12:13 PM 02/02/2023, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
The cost to build phy
It might look low cost until you look at a post-1980s suburb in the USA or
Canada where 100% of the utilities are underground. There may be no fiber
or duct routes. Just old coax used for DOCSIS3 owned/run by the local cable
incumbent and copper POTS wiring belonging to the ILEC. The cost to
retrof
The cost to build physical layer in much of the suburban and somewhat rural
US is low enough anymore that lots of smaller, independent, ISPs are
overbuilding the incumbent with fiber and taking a big chunk of their
customer base because they are local and care. And making money while
doing it.
O
Mike Hammett wrote:
I selfishly hope they don't because that's where independent
operators will succeed. ;-)
Because of natural regional monopoly at physical layer (cabling
cost for a certain region is same between competitors but their
revenues are proportional to their regional market shares
t;
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 4:18:46 PM
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
I think that this really says more about the race to the bottom in last mile
residential operations.
It seems inevitable that once a last mile residentia
I think that this really says more about the race to the bottom in last
mile residential operations.
It seems inevitable that once a last mile residential broadband operator
grows to a certain gargantuan size, the quality of the network suffers and
nobody really cares to take ownership of specific
until the customer complains about their
service being out. In which case, the same tech that ran the 'low-level' drop
between PEDs will likely come back and do it again.
-Original Message-
From: "Andy Brezinsky"
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 5:27pm
To: nanog@nano
Access to the right-of-way in most areas is granted through a CATV
Franchise agreement with your municipality. This agreement will include
a contact for disputes. As another avenue, contact the local government
and ask them to deal with the safety issue in the public right of way
and let them
On 1/31/23 2:33 PM, Gabriel Kuri via NANOG wrote:
Apparently the local infrastructure crew thinks it's OK to leave cable
running between two cans in a residential neighborhood since at least
July 2022. But it's OK, because they've cautioned them off with orange
cones, right ?
Multiple calls t
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