RE: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-03 Thread Jima
onday, October 01, 2012 5:28 PM > To: andr...@livejournalinc.com > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T > > In article > , > Andreas Echavez wrote: >>Does anyone here have experience running copper 10Gbase-T networks? It >>seems

RE: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-03 Thread Drew Weaver
PM To: andr...@livejournalinc.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T In article , Andreas Echavez wrote: >Does anyone here have experience running copper 10Gbase-T networks? It >seems like the standard just died out. Well, our new supermicro server

Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-02 Thread Summers, William
We've been using IBM 10G switches (8124 and 8264) sfp varieties back when they were Blade Networks. Very good performance, cost, and support. The use of DACs/Twinax in our datacenters made our 10G overhaul budget work.

Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-02 Thread Brian Loveland
Sorry, that is IBM G8264T. G8316 is the 16x40G version. On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Brian Loveland wrote: > Also, IBM G8364 (uses Broadcom Trident merchant silicon). > > I believe the Force10 S4810 (also Broadcom Trident) is only SFP+? > > Intel will force 10GBASE-T on all of us since they

Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-02 Thread Brian Loveland
Also, IBM G8364 (uses Broadcom Trident merchant silicon). I believe the Force10 S4810 (also Broadcom Trident) is only SFP+? Intel will force 10GBASE-T on all of us since they can make it backwards compatible with 1000BASE-T. I think this will make the technology take off over the next year or so

Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-01 Thread Adam Atkinson
Andreas Echavez wrote: Hey guys, Does anyone here have experience running copper 10Gbase-T networks? Yes. > It seems like the standard just died out. For us it would make a lot of sense for our applications -- even if throughput and latency aren't as great. If anyone out there knows of any

Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-01 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article , Andreas Echavez wrote: >Does anyone here have experience running copper 10Gbase-T networks? It >seems like the standard just died out. Well, our new supermicro servers come with 10Gbase-T standard on the motherboard. >For us it would make a lot of sense >for our applications -- eve

RE: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-01 Thread Tribble, Wesley
that with most environments, DAC is a cheaper and provides better latency for your storage traffic. -Original Message- From: Jima [mailto:na...@jima.tk] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 3:33 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T Gotcha. With SFP+ I t

Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-01 Thread Jima
Gotcha. With SFP+ I think the only nod to backward compatibility would be 1gbit RJ-45 SFPs, which can get a little spendy in large numbers (although so can DACs). As for distance, I admit I haven't encountered any DACs longer than 15 meters (~49 feet) -- not that I'm positive they don't exist.

Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-01 Thread Andreas Echavez
Mostly backwards compatibility; simplicity. We're planning for some super-high-density virtualization/storage projects mixed in with lower bandwidth gear, and sticking to one type of cable for everything would be convenient. I thought DAC had some distance limitations as well. This is all speculat

Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-01 Thread Jima
> Does anyone here have experience running copper 10Gbase-T networks? It > seems like the standard just died out. For us it would make a lot of sense > for our applications -- even if throughput and latency aren't as great. If > anyone out there knows of any *copper* 10 gig-t switches (48 port?), I

Re: So what's the deal with 10Gbase-T

2012-10-01 Thread Kenneth McRae
Check out the Force 10 S4810 switch. On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Andreas Echavez wrote: > Hey guys, > > Does anyone here have experience running copper 10Gbase-T networks? It > seems like the standard just died out. For us it would make a lot of sense > for our applications -- even if throu