Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-04 Thread Dan Drown
Quoting Julien Goodwin : Show my anything short of a classic SONET transmission system (or perhaps sync-E) where you actually have something with jitter that low [tens of microseconds]. Since you asked, here you go: http://i.imgur.com/DvMJd5y.png Two EndRun Unison GPS NTP servers, one in New

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-04 Thread Saku Ytti
> So what, that sends IP packets, are you using to *measure* it. I can Agilent if we need unidir. Normal run-of-the-mill 10GE SP router will give you low single digit microsecond jitter when not congested. (You can run 99.99% no problem, as long as you don't try >100% (i.e. >1 interface sending))

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-04 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 04/04/14 21:48, Saku Ytti wrote: > On (2014-04-04 20:37 +1100), Julien Goodwin wrote: > >>> Meinberg[0] pegs rubidium at ±8ms per year, if you need NTP to do say single >>> direction backbone SLA measurement you want to have microsecond precision. >> >> Those two statements don't go together. >

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-04 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2014-04-04 20:37 +1100), Julien Goodwin wrote: > > Meinberg[0] pegs rubidium at ±8ms per year, if you need NTP to do say single > > direction backbone SLA measurement you want to have microsecond precision. > > Those two statements don't go together. Point I was making is that free-running r

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-04 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014, David Hubbard wrote: Anyone have recommendations on NTP appliances; i.e. make, model, gps vs cell, etc.? Roof/outdoor/window access not available. Would ideally need to be able to handle bursts of up to a few thousand simultaneous queries. Needs IPv6 support. For some di

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-04 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 04/04/14 10:16, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: > On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:55:02PM -0400, David Hubbard wrote: >> Anyone have recommendations on NTP appliances; i.e. make, model, gps vs >> cell, etc.? Roof/outdoor/window access not available. Would ideally >> need to be able to handle bursts of up to

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-04 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 04/04/14 17:29, Saku Ytti wrote: > On (2014-04-03 21:25 -0700), Will Orton wrote: > >> There are commercially available NTP servers with GPS + Rb oscillators... >> for NTP >> use you could basically let it sync up a couple days, disconnect the GPS and >> let >> it freerun. You'd still be wi

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-03 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2014-04-03 21:25 -0700), Will Orton wrote: > There are commercially available NTP servers with GPS + Rb oscillators... for > NTP > use you could basically let it sync up a couple days, disconnect the GPS and > let > it freerun. You'd still be within a millisecond of GPS even after a couple

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-03 Thread Will Orton
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 09:06:57PM -0700, George Herbert wrote: > Sadly, right now that either means your own real clock, or WWV. The > cellphone time is (as far as I know, for the networks I saw data on) all > coming off GPS. > > Fortunately real clocks are coming way down in cost. There are c

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-03 Thread bmanning
Loves my old Heathkit WWVB unit. Keeps drift in check most days. Pairs nicely with the Spectracom 9383. Looking at the Microsemi TP-5000 w/ rubidium oscillator. /bill On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:25:07PM -0400, Rob Seastrom wrote: > > On a tangential note, it's all very nice to say "We h

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Rob Seastrom wrote: > > Chris Adams writes: > > > Once upon a time, Rob Seastrom said: > >> Along the same lines I'm troubled by the lack of divergent sources > >> these days - everything seems slaved to GPS either directly or > >> indirectly (might be nice to ha

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-03 Thread Rob Seastrom
Chris Adams writes: > Once upon a time, Rob Seastrom said: >> Along the same lines I'm troubled by the lack of divergent sources >> these days - everything seems slaved to GPS either directly or >> indirectly (might be nice to have stuff out there that got its time >> exclusively via Galileo or

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Rob Seastrom said: > Along the same lines I'm troubled by the lack of divergent sources > these days - everything seems slaved to GPS either directly or > indirectly (might be nice to have stuff out there that got its time > exclusively via Galileo or Glonass). Since you mention

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-03 Thread Rob Seastrom
On a tangential note, it's all very nice to say "We have brand X and like them", but I'd be curious to hear from folks who have deployed at least four divergent brands with non-overlapping GPS chip sets and software [*] to keep a conspiracy of errors from causing the time to suddenly be massively

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-03 Thread Berry Mobley
We have symmetricom (now microsemi) and are very happy with them, but we use the roof mounted gps antennas. They will peer with public ntp severs if that would work for you. David Hubbard wrote: >Anyone have recommendations on NTP appliances; i.e. make, model, gps vs >cell, etc.? Roof/outdoo

Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices

2014-04-03 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:55:02PM -0400, David Hubbard wrote: > Anyone have recommendations on NTP appliances; i.e. make, model, gps vs > cell, etc.? Roof/outdoor/window access not available. Would ideally > need to be able to handle bursts of up to a few thousand simultaneous > queries. Needs