Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-18 Thread Ben Cannon
For safety! Reminds me of bonding channels in an ISDN line. We had to keep them all apart. For their own protection. -Ben > On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > >  > >> On 18/Jun/20 14:49, Bill Woodcock wrote: >> >> What time was that? > > Back when a 12000 GSR chassis had

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 18/Jun/20 14:56, Saku Ytti wrote: > Somewhere between 2000..2005 I personally still delivered customer > connections that needed that. But we were providing 64kbps still to > some odd locations, like paper mill in the middle of nowhere. I also > needed to do MLPPP over 2*64kbps so that seria

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 18/Jun/20 14:49, Bill Woodcock wrote: > What time was that? Back when a 12000 GSR chassis had one line card in slot 0 for the public Internet, and another in slot 5 for the MPLS backbone. They had to be that far apart, for safety :-)... Mark. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital si

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-18 Thread Saku Ytti
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 15:49, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: > > No one needs strict priority queues anymore, which was absolutely > > needed at one point in time. > > What time was that? Somewhere between 2000..2005 I personally still delivered customer

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-18 Thread Max Tulyev
Hi, in our region (CIS, eastern Europe) we still have issues with overloaded international transport and bad quality of international channels from time to time (especially at the beginning of COVID19). While Internet looks slow, but still usable, this case VoIP goes really bad. Our regional

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-18 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: > No one needs strict priority queues anymore, which was absolutely > needed at one point in time. What time was that? -Bill signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 18/Jun/20 14:28, Saku Ytti wrote: > ACK. Good Internet is almost an emergent feature, not something we > really designed for. The main remaining problems are congested > peerings, which is a silly political problem which ends up hurting > customers and not helping anyone. It's easier to ke

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-18 Thread Saku Ytti
> I think, on the whole, as current-production routers have migrated away > from software-based forwarding in recent years into hardware planes, as ACK. Good Internet is almost an emergent feature, not something we really designed for. The main remaining problems are congested peerings, which is a

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 17/Jun/20 22:47, Dovid Bender wrote: > Hi, > > My 9-5 is working for a VoIP provider. When we started in 2006 we had > a lot of issues with the quality of the internet in eastern europe and > central Asia. It was not rare for us to have to play around with > routing to get the quality that we

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-17 Thread Jared Geiger
I think all the eyeball networks moving to work with CDNs a bit better helped alleviate the congestion on the transit / peering links. DOCSIS 3.1 helped tremendously with jitter issues as well as fiber xPON being deployed by the telcos. Transit costs have dropped significantly. So it doesn't seem

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-17 Thread Dovid Bender
Yes. We have gotten a lot fo complaints today. Can't seem to nail it down. Random PL. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:52 PM Izzy Goldstein - TeleGo < igoldst...@telego.net> wrote: > now you mentioned it, verizon fios is having issues in NY ? > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:50 PM Dovid Bender wrote: > >

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-17 Thread Izzy Goldstein - TeleGo
now you mentioned it, verizon fios is having issues in NY ? On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:50 PM Dovid Bender wrote: > Hi, > > My 9-5 is working for a VoIP provider. When we started in 2006 we had a > lot of issues with the quality of the internet in eastern europe and > central Asia. It was not rare