Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-16 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Niels Bakker wrote: > That wasn't the question. The question was what equipment would send > proxy ARP replies as broadcasts, possibly causing poisoning in other > routers (which still sounds far-fetched to me). > Which current routers will actually _listen_ to

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-16 Thread Warren Bailey
I seem to recall some video encoders doing that, but I can't remember the vendor. Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Niels Bakker Date: 01/16/2014 8:54 AM (GMT-08:00) To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Proxy ARP detection * vrist...@ramapo.edu (

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-16 Thread Niels Bakker
* vrist...@ramapo.edu (Vlade Ristevski) [Thu 16 Jan 2014, 17:46 CET]: Cisco ASA's still have proxy ARP enabled by default when certain NAT types are configured. That wasn't the question. The question was what equipment would send proxy ARP replies as broadcasts, possibly causing poisoning in

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-16 Thread Vlade Ristevski
Cisco ASA's still have proxy ARP enabled by default when certain NAT types are configured. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/security/asa/asa84/configuration/guide/nat_objects.html "Default Settings (8.3(1), 8.3(2), and 8.4(1)) The default behavior for identity NAT has proxy ARP disabled. You

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-16 Thread Niels Bakker
* c...@bloomcounty.org (Clay Fiske) [Thu 16 Jan 2014, 01:25 CET]: On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: * c...@bloomcounty.org (Clay Fiske) [Thu 16 Jan 2014, 00:59 CET]: This is where theory diverges nicely from practice. In some cases the offender broadcast his reply, and guess wha

Re: Proxy ARP detection (was re: best practice for advertising peering fabric routes)

2014-01-15 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM, ML wrote: > > Shouldn't ARP inspection be a common feature? > Dynamic ARP inspection is mostly useful only when the trusted ports receive their MAC to IP address mapping from a trusted DHCP server, and the trusted mapping is established using DHCP snooping. Or

Re: Proxy ARP detection (was re: best practice for advertising peering fabric routes)

2014-01-15 Thread ML
On 1/15/2014 6:31 PM, Clay Fiske wrote: Yes, yes, I expected a smug reply like this. I just didn’t expect it to take so long. But how can I detect proxy ARP when detecting proxy ARP was patented in 1996? http://www.google.com/patents/US5708654 Seriously though, it’s not so simple. You only

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-15 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > Excellent. So all everyone has to do is not buy cisco _or_ juniper. > Or make the LANs IPv6-only adressed, since ARP is not used. And it is probably unlikely that someone will turn on a ND Proxy by "accident". > Wait a minute.

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-15 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
Excellent. So all everyone has to do is not buy cisco _or_ juniper. Wait a minute -- TTFN, patrick On Jan 15, 2014, at 19:54 , Eric Rosen wrote: > Cisco PIX's used to do this if the firewall had a route and saw a ARP request > in that IP range it would proxy arp. > > - Original Mes

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-15 Thread Eric Rosen
Cisco PIX's used to do this if the firewall had a route and saw a ARP request in that IP range it would proxy arp. - Original Message - > > On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: > > > * c...@bloomcounty.org (Clay Fiske) [Thu 16 Jan 2014, 00:59 CET]: > >> This is where theory

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-15 Thread Clay Fiske
On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: > * c...@bloomcounty.org (Clay Fiske) [Thu 16 Jan 2014, 00:59 CET]: >> This is where theory diverges nicely from practice. In some cases the >> offender broadcast his reply, and guess what else? A lot of routers listen >> to unsolicited ARP repl

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-15 Thread Niels Bakker
* c...@bloomcounty.org (Clay Fiske) [Thu 16 Jan 2014, 00:59 CET]: This is where theory diverges nicely from practice. In some cases the offender broadcast his reply, and guess what else? A lot of routers listen to unsolicited ARP replies. I've never seen this. Please name vendor and product,

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-15 Thread Clay Fiske
On Jan 15, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: > * c...@bloomcounty.org (Clay Fiske) [Thu 16 Jan 2014, 00:35 CET]: > [...] >> Seriously though, it’s not so simple. You only get replies if the IP you ARP >> for is in the offender’s route table (or they have a default route). I’ve >> seen diff

Re: Proxy ARP detection

2014-01-15 Thread Niels Bakker
* c...@bloomcounty.org (Clay Fiske) [Thu 16 Jan 2014, 00:35 CET]: [...] Seriously though, it’s not so simple. You only get replies if the IP you ARP for is in the offender’s route table (or they have a default route). I’ve seen different routers respond depending on which non-local IP was ARPed