On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:05:14 BST, Brandon Butterworth said:
> > > Paul Baran's rand paper was on survivable networks. The arpanet was not
> > > that network.
> >
> > I worry now if it will survive the people that operate it.
>
> I doubt it. When the machines rise up against us they will
> kill th
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 08:05:14AM +0100, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
> > I worry now if it will survive the people that operate it.
>
> I doubt it. When the machines rise up against us they will
> kill the current net and carry on with their own IPv8 network.
Purely photonic relativistic cut-thr
> > Paul Baran's rand paper was on survivable networks. The arpanet was not
> > that network.
>
> I worry now if it will survive the people that operate it.
I doubt it. When the machines rise up against us they will
kill the current net and carry on with their own IPv8 network.
brandon
On 6/13/2010 20:21, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> Paul Baran's rand paper was on survivable networks. The arpanet was not
> that network.
I worry now if it will survive the people that operate it.
--
Somebody should have said:
A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Fre
On 06/13/2010 06:13 PM, Bruce Williams wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
>>> Generally speaking, it will be treated as damage and routed around.
>>
>> That fable only really stands a chance when the damage is accidental; in
>> the case where such "damage" is being delibe
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
>> Generally speaking, it will be treated as damage and routed around.
>
> That fable only really stands a chance when the damage is accidental; in
> the case where such "damage" is being deliberately inflicted, particularly
> by government, it get
On 6/13/2010 18:09, Brett Frankenberger wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 03:23:06PM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
>>
>> How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the
>> secondaries can no longer get updates?
>>
>> Mea culpa.
>>
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 03:23:06PM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the
> secondaries can no longer get updates?
>
> Mea culpa.
>
> That was suppose to say "How about the case where
On 6/13/10 1:11 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 6/13/10 9:35 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the
>> secondaries can no longer get updates?
>
>
> We just saw that with Haiti.
This overlooks the consequences of that particular catastroph
> For example--what happens when name-service information for a part
that
> is not shutdown comes from a part that is?
>
> What if an exchange point for parts that are not shutdown is shutdown.
>
> And spare me the tinfoil hat stuff--tinfoil hats have not worked for a
> year or more.
> --
> Someb
I'll bet that is a political statement, against list rules. Larry is currently
making up a really high percentage of list traffic and this is beginning to
annoy.
L
"Larry Sheldon" wrote:
>On 6/13/2010 15:54, Joe Greco wrote:
>
>> If we want to be pedantic, Sony this year announced that it is sh
> On 6/13/2010 15:54, Joe Greco wrote:
> > If we want to be pedantic, Sony this year announced that it is shutting
> > down its production of floppy disks by next year. Of course, the choice
> > of "floppy disk" is irrelevant, and I'm guessing you know it. If your
> > devices are more comfortable
On 6/13/2010 15:54, Joe Greco wrote:
> If we want to be pedantic, Sony this year announced that it is shutting
> down its production of floppy disks by next year. Of course, the choice
> of "floppy disk" is irrelevant, and I'm guessing you know it. If your
> devices are more comfortable with CD-
> On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> > Yes, but unreachability is basically only a problem for those who have
> > failed to design and plan for it. You can engineer for unreachability.
> > You're a lot more screwed if we start talking about government mandates
> > and the contents of your z
> On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the
> secondaries can no longer get updates?
>
> Mea culpa.
>
> That was suppose to say "How about the case where the master zone file
> has beEN amputated and the secondaries
> On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
> > What happens? The master zone simply doesn't get updated until someone
> > FedEx's a floppy. You know, some of us made these sorts of contingency
> > plans long ago, back in days when the Internet actually wasn't all that
> > reliable, and it wasn't comp
On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
> Yes, but unreachability is basically only a problem for those who have
> failed to design and plan for it. You can engineer for unreachability.
> You're a lot more screwed if we start talking about government mandates
> and the contents of your zone.
I mean
On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the
secondaries can no longer get updates?
Mea culpa.
That was suppose to say "How about the case where the master zone file
has beEN amputated and the secondaries can no longer get
On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
> What happens? The master zone simply doesn't get updated until someone
> FedEx's a floppy. You know, some of us made these sorts of contingency
> plans long ago, back in days when the Internet actually wasn't all that
> reliable, and it wasn't completely un
As so often happens, I forgot to note what my client picked up for a
return address. This is the first of several items that I meant to send
to the list.
My apologies to Mr Greco.
On 6/13/2010 14:17, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 6/13/2010 14:07, Joe Greco wrote:
>>> On 6/13/2010 08:47, valdis.kletn
> On 6/13/2010 08:47, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:21:49 CDT, Larry Sheldon said:
> >
> >> For example--what happens when name-service information for a part that
> >> is not shutdown comes from a part that is?
> >
> > It's always been a BCP good idea to have your DNS
On 6/13/10 9:35 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the
> secondaries can no longer get updates?
We just saw that with Haiti.
~Seth
On 6/13/2010 08:47, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:21:49 CDT, Larry Sheldon said:
>
>> For example--what happens when name-service information for a part that
>> is not shutdown comes from a part that is?
>
> It's always been a BCP good idea to have your DNS have secondar
On 6/13/2010 07:50, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Generally speaking, it will be treated as damage and routed around.
Nothing to see here. Move along. Nothing to worry about. Have a nice day.
--
Somebody should have said:
A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Freedom
On 6/13/2010 3:47 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
It's always been a BCP good idea to have your DNS have secondaries in another
non-fate-sharing AS, even though everybody from Microsoft on down seems
to feel the need to rediscover this.
Postel used to advise having them on different tecto
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:21:49 CDT, Larry Sheldon said:
> For example--what happens when name-service information for a part that
> is not shutdown comes from a part that is?
It's always been a BCP good idea to have your DNS have secondaries in another
non-fate-sharing AS, even though everybody fro
> Generally speaking, it will be treated as damage and routed around.
That fable only really stands a chance when the damage is accidental; in
the case where such "damage" is being deliberately inflicted, particularly
by government, it gets more complicated. A lot of the 'net is a little
more ce
Taking into account a submarine cable structure like this:
http://www.telegeography.com/product-info/map_cable/images/cable_map_2010_large.png
And that satellite connections have very high latency.
I think the idea of routing around will be, at least, a performance hell.
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at
Generally speaking, it will be treated as damage and routed around.
Owen
On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> http://volokh.com/2010/06/13/32843/
>
> What happens when the US shuts down part of its part?
>
> Depends on what part it shut down, of course.
>
> But what are the av
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