Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-28 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 28, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 09:32:00PM -0400, Patrick W. > Gilmore wrote: >> Why is that any different than forcing businesses to explain which links are >> paid? Or any other internal data? Private businesses are private. Th

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-28 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 09:32:00PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > Why is that any different than forcing businesses to explain which links are > paid? Or any other internal data? Private businesses are private. Their > relationships with other private businesses are p

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-27 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 27, 2011, at 8:30 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:35 EDT, "Patrick W. Gilmore" said: >> And the customers still don't care. They just care _that_ it affected >> them - at least during the problem. Although one can hope they care >> enough to change their beha

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-27 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/27/11 5:30 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:35 EDT, "Patrick W. Gilmore" said: >> And the customers still don't care. They just care _that_ it >> affected them - at least during the problem. Although one can >> hope they care enough to change their behavior afte

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:35 EDT, "Patrick W. Gilmore" said: > And the customers still don't care. They just care _that_ it affected > them - at least during the problem. Although one can hope they care > enough to change their behavior afterward. And yet, people still single-home to Tier-1s. Go

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-27 Thread Adam Rothschild
What are thoughts on public disclosure limited to capacity constraints? There is ample business reason for making the terms of specific interconnects private. On the other hand, knowing definitively that {mon,du}opoly broadband provider A is running its connections to transit provider B hot could

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-27 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:10 PM, wrote: > On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:32:00 EDT, "Patrick W. Gilmore" said: >> Next time Cogent de-peers someone, customers do not care who was being >> more reasonable. They care that their links are broken. > > Wouldn't that mostly affect people who are silly enough to

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:32:00 EDT, "Patrick W. Gilmore" said: > Next time Cogent de-peers someone, customers do not care who was being > more reasonable. They care that their links are broken. Wouldn't that mostly affect people who are silly enough to single-home to a Tier-1 that gets involved in

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-26 Thread Patrick W . Gilmore
> I have yet to find a down side to this sort of sunshine. I'd wecome > anyone who thinks its a bad idea to educate me. Why is that any different than forcing businesses to explain which links are paid? Or any other internal data? Private businesses are private. Their relationships with othe

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-26 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 05:40:43PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > Yes, Above.Net broke the original peering-ratio fight that way. Thank you > for that. Too bad it didn't last. I forgot to write back when you first posted this, but the recent follow ons reminded me...

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-26 Thread Joly MacFie
There might be something in the recent CITI report http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=2352 j : > On Aug 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > > [*] Anyone know what %-age of North American users have multiple choices > for real broadband (e.g. > 1.5 Mbps, or even > 4 Mbps as the FCC now defi

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-26 Thread Niclas Comstedt
On Aug 19, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > [*] Anyone know what %-age of North American users have multiple choices for > real broadband (e.g. > 1.5 Mbps, or even > 4 Mbps as the FCC now defines it)? > I searched, but can't find it. I can find how many people have > 4 Mbps > ava

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-19 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 04:29:05PM -0400, Adam > Rothschild wrote: >> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7021703819 > > I like to see Level 3 arguing this with the regulators. AboveNet > persued this line of thi

Re: Level 3 Peering Guidelines

2011-08-19 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 04:29:05PM -0400, Adam Rothschild wrote: > http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7021703819 I like to see Level 3 arguing this with the regulators. AboveNet persued this line of thinking with a number of ISP's in the late 1990's with some s