RE: Geoip lookup

2013-05-26 Thread Frank Bulk (iname.com)
Here's a few more resources: http://www.ipdeny.com/ipblocks/ http://www.nirsoft.net/countryip/ Frank -Original Message- From: shawn wilson [mailto:ag4ve...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:27 PM To: i...@cymru.com Cc: North American Network Operators Group Subject: Re:

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-25 Thread shawn wilson
If anyone is interrested, here's a little Perl CLI util to lookup what countries registered networks within a block. There's no documentation yet, it's a .pl where it should probably be a command with a makefile installer, and Net::CIDR overlaps Net::IP. At any rate, hopefully it is useful to someo

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-25 Thread John Curran
On May 24, 2013, at 10:47 AM, David Conrad wrote: > I replied privately to Owen, but might as well share: > > On May 23, 2013, at 11:57 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > True, according to (at least some of) the RIRs they reside in regions... Really? Which ones? I thought they were only issued

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-24 Thread Tom Vest
On May 24, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Paul Kelly :: Blacknight wrote: >>> >>> Just because I have operations in one region does not preclude me >> from having operations >>> in other regions. YMMV of course. >>> >>> /bill >> >> That was exactly my point, Bill... If you have operations in RIPE

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-24 Thread Barry Shein
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Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-24 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 24, 2013, at 01:13 , shawn wilson wrote: > I knew this would come up. Actually I'm surprised and glad it waited until I > got a solution first. > > I'll address a few points: > - this is mainly to stop stupid things from sending packets from countries we > will probably never want to d

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-24 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 24, 2013, at 00:28 , Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > On 13-05-24 02:57, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> That was exactly my point, Bill... If you have operations in RIPE and ARIN >> regions, it is entirely possible for you to obtain addresses from RIPE or >> ARIN and use them in both locations,

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-24 Thread David Conrad
I replied privately to Owen, but might as well share: On May 23, 2013, at 11:57 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: True, according to (at least some of) the RIRs they reside in regions... >>> Really? Which ones? I thought they were only issued to organizations that >>> had operations in regions. > Tha

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-24 Thread John Curran
On May 24, 2013, at 2:34 AM, Andreas Larsen wrote: > If we continue to support and build tools around this geolocation based > ip-dravel, we give people a false notion that this is something we should > do. > ... > > Or just get rid of the whole idea and realize that the internet is global > an

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-24 Thread shawn wilson
I knew this would come up. Actually I'm surprised and glad it waited until I got a solution first. I'll address a few points: - this is mainly to stop stupid things from sending packets from countries we will probably never want to do business with (I'm looking mainly at that big country under APN

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-24 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 13-05-24 02:57, Owen DeLong wrote: > That was exactly my point, Bill... If you have operations in RIPE and ARIN > regions, it is entirely possible for you to obtain addresses from RIPE or > ARIN and use them in both locations, or, obtain addresses from both RIPE and > ARIN and use them in th

RE: Geoip lookup

2013-05-24 Thread Paul Kelly :: Blacknight
> > > > Just because I have operations in one region does not preclude me > from having operations > > in other regions. YMMV of course. > > > > /bill > > That was exactly my point, Bill... If you have operations in RIPE and ARIN > regions, it is entirely possible for you to obtain addres

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 23, 2013, at 23:49 , bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:39:12PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> On May 23, 2013, at 23:17 , David Conrad wrote: >> >>> On May 23, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Andreas Larsen >>> wrote: The whole idea of Geoip is flawed. >>> >>

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread bmanning
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:39:12PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On May 23, 2013, at 23:17 , David Conrad wrote: > > > On May 23, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Andreas Larsen > > wrote: > >> The whole idea of Geoip is flawed. > > > > Sure, but pragmatically, it's an 80% solution. > > > >> IP dosen't re

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 23, 2013, at 23:17 , David Conrad wrote: > On May 23, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Andreas Larsen > wrote: >> The whole idea of Geoip is flawed. > > Sure, but pragmatically, it's an 80% solution. > >> IP dosen't reside in countries, > > True, according to (at least some of) the RIRs they resid

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread Andreas Larsen
If we continue to support and build tools around this geolocation based ip-dravel, we give people a false notion that this is something we should do. Identify users with some other means that Geoip Couple of things comes to mind. * normal postage mail that they have to collect at their home and

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread David Conrad
On May 23, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Andreas Larsen wrote: > The whole idea of Geoip is flawed. Sure, but pragmatically, it's an 80% solution. > IP dosen't reside in countries, True, according to (at least some of) the RIRs they reside in regions... Regards, -drc

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread Andreas Larsen
The whole idea of Geoip is flawed. IP dosen't reside in countries, they are routable adresses that can reside everywhere, I guess soon on mars even. Med vänlig hälsning Andreas Larsen IP-Only Telecommunication AB| Postadress: 753 81 UPPSALA | Besöksadress: S:t Persgatan 6, Uppsala | Telefon: +4

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread Rob Seastrom
This may be just a case of getting what you pay for, but Maxmind marks entire netblocks as proxies, puts 'em in the wrong country, and ignores repeated efforts by the registrant of the address space to set the record straight. The problem comes when people actually do stuff with the information,

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread shawn wilson
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2013-05-23, at 16:56, shawn wilson wrote: > >> It looks you're right and everyone does have the same data in >> historical format. Looks like RIPE has everything compiled into what >> is current. So if a block hasn't changed for 10 years, i

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-23, at 16:56, shawn wilson wrote: > It looks you're right and everyone does have the same data in > historical format. Looks like RIPE has everything compiled into what > is current. So if a block hasn't changed for 10 years, it'll be in the > RIPE dataset vs with the others, I'd have

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread chip
I've used the MaxMind Lite geo-ip database plus some perl modules and a BGP table to get something fairly close. Anything in the BGP table that was larger than a /20 I split into /20's. For my use case, this was close enough. I then grabbed 30 or so IP's within the range and geo-ip mapped them.

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread shawn wilson
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:40 PM, shawn wilson wrote: > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Joe Abley wrote: >> >> On 2013-05-23, at 15:47, shawn wilson wrote: >> >> >> ftp://ftp.apnic.net/public/apnic/stats/apnic/ >> ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/ >> ftp://ftp.lacnic.net/pub/stats/lacnic/ >>

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread shawn wilson
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2013-05-23, at 15:47, shawn wilson wrote: > >> What's the best way to find the networks in a country? I was thinking of >> writing some perl with Net::Whois::ARIN or some such module and loop >> through the block. But I think I'll have to b

Re: Geoip lookup

2013-05-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-05-23, at 15:47, shawn wilson wrote: > What's the best way to find the networks in a country? I was thinking of > writing some perl with Net::Whois::ARIN or some such module and loop > through the block. But I think I'll have to be smarter than just a simple > loop not to get blocked and