Re: Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) and network performance

2009-04-10 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Lamar Owen wrote: This sounds pretty good, until you realize that it means you can expect 36 errors in 10 hours on a 100% utilized gigabit fiber link. Well, it means this is still ok according to standard. In real life, if you engineer your network to be within the optica

Re: Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) and network performance

2009-04-10 Thread Matthew Kaufman
Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday 10 April 2009 13:43:26 Matthew Kaufman wrote: The bit error rate of copper is better than 1 error in 10^9 bits. The bit error rate of fiber is better than 1 error in 10^12 bits. So the packet loss rate of the transport media is approximately zero.* This sounds prett

Re: Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) and network performance

2009-04-10 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday 10 April 2009 13:43:26 Matthew Kaufman wrote: > The bit error rate of copper is better than 1 error in 10^9 bits. The > bit error rate of fiber is better than 1 error in 10^12 bits. So the > packet loss rate of the transport media is approximately zero.* This sounds pretty good, until yo

Re: Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) and network performance

2009-04-10 Thread Matthew Kaufman
Marshall Eubanks wrote: If there is some consensus around this, it would effectively set an upper bound for the need for FEC in network transit. The bit error rate of copper is better than 1 error in 10^9 bits. The bit error rate of fiber is better than 1 error in 10^12 bits. So the packet lo

[SPAM] Re: Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) and network performance

2009-04-10 Thread Jean-Michel Planche
Le 11 avr. 09 à 00:03, Marshall Eubanks a écrit : What level of packet loss would trigger response from network operators ? How bad does a sustained packet loss need to be before it is viewed as a problem to be fixed ? Conversely, what is a typical packet loss fraction during periods of good

Re: Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) and network performance

2009-04-10 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009, Marshall Eubanks wrote: What level of packet loss would trigger response from network operators ? How bad does a sustained packet loss need to be before it is viewed as a problem to be fixed ? Conversely, what is a typical packet loss fraction during periods of good networ

Re: Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) and network performance

2009-04-10 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Apr 10, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I work with FEC in various ways, mostly to protect video streams against packet loss, including as co-chair of the IETF FECFRAME WG and in the Video Services Forum. Most FEC is driven by congestion in the edge, RF issues on wireless LANs,