Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-26 Thread JC Dill
On 24/08/11 2:46 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" I'll scratch "no earthquakes" off the list of benefits for the east coast over the west coast. ;) A very early blogger buddy of mine owned a stake, for a while, in a colo in Knoxville TN, which was, they

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-26 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 24, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" > >> On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:55 AM, JC Dill wrote: >>> On 23/08/11 3:13 PM, William Herrin wrote: A. Our structures aren't built to seismic zone standards. Our construction workers aren't familiar with*how* to

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" > On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:55 AM, JC Dill wrote: > > On 23/08/11 3:13 PM, William Herrin wrote: > >> A. Our structures aren't built to seismic zone standards. Our > >> construction workers aren't familiar with*how* to build to seismic > >> zo

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-25 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Roy wrote: Many years ago I was taught that "earthquake proof" means the building doesn't kill the occupants and not that the structure survives unscathed.. As examples, they used a hospital that was damaged in the magnitude 6.6 Sylmar quake of 1971 The building was basica

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 - comment and a bit of a Christchurch Telco report :)

2011-08-25 Thread Don Gould
On 25/08/2011 9:58 p.m., Mark Foster wrote: This is a cynical approach to what happened, in my (Auckland based) opinion. In the early stages information would've been relatively hard to come by, responders were very much in an all-hands-to-the-pump running-on-instinct phase and the scale of th

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 - comment and a bit of a Christchurch Telco report :)

2011-08-25 Thread Mark Foster
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Mark Foster wrote: Radio - That was very interesting to observe. Clearly radio stations don't have disaster broadcast plans in place for content. When you're crying out for information about what's going on, the very last think you want to hear is an inappropriate adve

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 - comment and a bit of a Christchurch Telco report :)

2011-08-25 Thread Mark Foster
Radio - That was very interesting to observe. Clearly radio stations don't have disaster broadcast plans in place for content. When you're crying out for information about what's going on, the very last think you want to hear is an inappropriate advert break. The number of stations that kept

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 - comment and a bit of a Christchurch Telco report :)

2011-08-25 Thread Don Gould
On 25/08/2011 12:18 p.m., Michael Painter wrote: So the "old corded phones" were to be distributed to those who have copper/POTS service? I assume so. I honestly don't know where the phones went exactly. Most people still have a copper pots service here (though that is changing). Kinda'

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Roy
On 8/24/2011 7:18 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Leigh Porter wrote: Indeed, we are not going to be building earthquake proof buildings in London for example. Of course there is no such thing as earthquake proof. The Earth is still a single point of failure :-) Essential faci

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Scott Morris

RE: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Leigh Porter wrote: Indeed, we are not going to be building earthquake proof buildings in London for example. Of course there is no such thing as earthquake proof. The Earth is still a single point of failure :-) Essential facilty design usally takes the "standard" desi

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 - comment and a bit of a Christchurch Telco report :)

2011-08-24 Thread Michael Painter
Don Gould wrote: Many many people use cordless phones and don't have a non-powered/corded phone any more. After the 22nd we had a national campaign to get old corded phones to Christchurch. 5,000 were collected. (Now when you consider the country has a population of 4m and Christchurch has ~36

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Alex Rubenstein
:44 2011 Subject: Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 - Original Message - > From: "Seth Mattinen" > I'll scratch "no earthquakes" off the list of benefits for the east > coast over the west coast. ;) A very early blogger buddy of mine owned a stake, f

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Seth Mattinen" > I'll scratch "no earthquakes" off the list of benefits for the east > coast over the west coast. ;) A very early blogger buddy of mine owned a stake, for a while, in a colo in Knoxville TN, which was, they said, out of *all* the hazard plane

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 - comment and a bit of a Christchurch Telco report :)

2011-08-24 Thread Don Gould
On 25/08/2011 12:27 a.m., Scott Morris wrote: Also, the quake on the east coast was much closer to the surface than most west coast quakes, which could account for the feeling. Scott (not a geologist) /me is also not a geologist, but does live in the east part of Christchurch, New Zealand.

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/24/11 6:44 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:55 AM, JC Dill wrote: >> On 23/08/11 3:13 PM, William Herrin wrote: >>> A. Our structures aren't built to seismic zone standards. Our >>> construction workers aren't familiar with*how* to build to seismic >>> zone standards. We

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Scott Howard
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > A 5.8 (or 5.9, I've seen conflicting numbers) really isn't likely to do all > that much damage, even on the East Coast. > A 5.6 quake in Newcastle, Australia in 1989 caused, according to Wikipedia, "13 fatalities, 160 people hospitalised, 300

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:44 20AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:55 AM, JC Dill wrote: >> On 23/08/11 3:13 PM, William Herrin wrote: >>> A. Our structures aren't built to seismic zone standards. Our >>> construction workers aren't familiar with*how* to build to seismic >>> zone

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "JC Dill" > On 23/08/11 3:13 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > A. Our structures aren't built to seismic zone standards. Our > > construction workers aren't familiar with*how* to build to seismic > > zone standards. We don't secure equipment inside our buildings t

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 05:55, JC Dill wrote: > On 23/08/11 3:13 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> >> A. Our structures aren't built to seismic zone standards. Our >> construction workers aren't familiar with*how*  to build to seismic >> zone standards. We don't secure equipment inside our buildings to

RE: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Leigh Porter
> -Original Message- > From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net] > Sent: 24 August 2011 14:46 > To: NANOG list > Subject: Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 > > On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:55 AM, JC Dill wrote: > > On 23/08/11 3:13 PM, William Herrin wr

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 24, 2011, at 8:55 AM, JC Dill wrote: > On 23/08/11 3:13 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> A. Our structures aren't built to seismic zone standards. Our >> construction workers aren't familiar with*how* to build to seismic >> zone standards. We don't secure equipment inside our buildings to >> s

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread JC Dill
On 23/08/11 3:13 PM, William Herrin wrote: A. Our structures aren't built to seismic zone standards. Our construction workers aren't familiar with*how* to build to seismic zone standards. We don't secure equipment inside our buildings to seismic zone standards. They should be. They should be.

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-24 Thread Scott Morris
Also, the quake on the east coast was much closer to the surface than most west coast quakes, which could account for the feeling. Scott (not a geologist) On 8/23/11 6:13 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> A 5.8 (or 5.9, I've seen conflicting numb

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Lamar Owen wrote: At the time I wondered if anything near the IX's in that area might be impacted, Although any Internet Exchange Facility can have bad luck (i.e. remember the Ashburn data center damaged by a hurricane/tornado in 2004), most of the major IX's in the US ar

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday, August 23, 2011 06:13:02 PM William Herrin wrote: > B. The crust on the east coast is much more solid than on the west > coast, so the seismic waves propagate much further. Los Angeles > doesn't feel an earthquake north of San Francisco unless it's huge. > New York City felt this earthq

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > A 5.8 (or 5.9, I've seen conflicting numbers) Hi Owen, http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/se082311a.html#details Originally reported as 5.8. Briefly upped to 5.9. Now back to 5.8. > really isn't likely to do all > tha

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Michael Thomas
On 08/23/2011 02:48 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: A 5.8 (or 5.9, I've seen conflicting numbers) really isn't likely to do all that much damage, even on the East Coast. In California, anyone who has lived here for more than 10 years probably doesn't even feel anything less than a 5, and, it takes a solid

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Owen DeLong
A 5.8 (or 5.9, I've seen conflicting numbers) really isn't likely to do all that much damage, even on the East Coast. In California, anyone who has lived here for more than 10 years probably doesn't even feel anything less than a 5, and, it takes a solid 6 to really get anyone's attention out here.

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Jared Scott
2:58:42 PM Subject: Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Mike Gatti wrote: 5.9 Epicenter in Virginia: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/usc0005ild.php#summary Seeing slow internet access out of ASHBURN, VA data centers. Verizon and Globa

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Nitin Mehrotra
T-Mobile is completely out in Bethesda, MD. No voice or data signal whatsoever. - Original Message - From: "Jared Geiger" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:58:42 PM Subject: Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Mike Ga

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Roy
On 8/23/2011 12:43 PM, PC wrote: Based on a sampling of thousands of cable modems, dsl, and cellular sites in the DC area: With a 10 second keepalive/30 second holdtime, I only saw, maybe, 2-3 sites disappear per thousand based on an endpoint in Ashburn, VA. I do see some delay cellular side, b

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread PC
Based on a sampling of thousands of cable modems, dsl, and cellular sites in the DC area: With a 10 second keepalive/30 second holdtime, I only saw, maybe, 2-3 sites disappear per thousand based on an endpoint in Ashburn, VA. I do see some delay cellular side, but it looks to be solely congestion

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Chris
A friend about 80 miles near the epicenter says phones are down but Comcast Internet, by way of some miracle, is up

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Jared Geiger
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Mike Gatti wrote: > 5.9 Epicenter in Virginia: > > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/usc0005ild.php#summary > > Seeing slow internet access out of ASHBURN, VA data centers. Verizon and > Global Crossing. Carriers circuits probably overwhe

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Mike Gatti
5.9 Epicenter in Virginia: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/usc0005ild.php#summary Seeing slow internet access out of ASHBURN, VA data centers. Verizon and Global Crossing. Carriers circuits probably overwhelmed with voice/data. I do not have any info on outages or dama

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Alex Rubenstein
23 14:37:41 2011 Subject: Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011 We had some cell tower issues here in NJ. chris On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Sule, Mohammed wrote: > Have anyone seen or feel any effect of this on their network? > > > - > V

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Sule, Mohammed wrote: > Have anyone seen or feel any effect of this on their network? Yes. Users going to twitter, IRC, Facebook, Google+, etc., are WAY WAY WAY up. Ditto news sources. Oh, and of course, XKCD. :) -- TTFN, patrick

Re: East Coast Earthquake 8-23-2011

2011-08-23 Thread chris
We had some cell tower issues here in NJ. chris On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Sule, Mohammed wrote: > Have anyone seen or feel any effect of this on their network? > > > - > Visit www.nyc.gov/hhc > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information in this E-Mai