Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-16 Thread Patrick Sumby
We run redundant solutions for a number of our customers and have always decoupled the routing and firewalling. I can think of one situation where the customer manages the BGP and firewall failover on their firewalls, it doesn't work too well. The issue as I see it is that in the event of a d

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-16 Thread Colin Alston
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Gregory Croft wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with using firewalls as edge devices > when BGP is concerned? Doing so very successfully with Fortigate devices.

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-09 Thread David
x27;s at the moment and haven't really had any issues with > web filtering. > > > > Thank you, > Gregory S. Croft > > -Original Message- > From: David [mailto:da...@davidswafford.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:50 AM > To: Gregory Croft

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-08 Thread David
I wouldn't do it. We have 8 x PA-2050s and run into a lot of wierd bugs (just doing web filtering) David Sent from an email server. On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:31 PM, "Gregory Croft" wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone have any experience with using firewalls as edge devices > when BGP is

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-08 Thread -Hammer-
Roland, While I understand that the definition has nothing to do with IT Security there is no question that many folks use the phrase to summarize a layered IT security model. Edge routers with ACLs to filter white noise go to edge L3/4 firewalls to filter their layer go to load balancers

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-07 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011, Cameron Byrne wrote: On a personal note , it is one of my least favorite terms because it is overused and generally used by people selling things, and defense in depth means throw eveything and the kitchen sink at the problem instead of matching threats / risks / vulnerabilit

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-07 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Dec 7, 2011 7:49 PM, "Dobbins, Roland" wrote: > > > On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:36 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > > I don't think you're looking at defense in depth in the right way, > > Actually, it sometimes seems as if nobody in the industry understands what 'defense in depth' really means, heh. > On

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-07 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:36 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > I don't think you're looking at defense in depth in the right way, Actually, it sometimes seems as if nobody in the industry understands what 'defense in depth' really means, heh. 'Defense in depth' is a military term of art which equates to 't

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-07 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:04 AM, Gregory Croft wrote: > Just investigating to see if there is a reason I shouldn't use a firewall at > the edge versus a dedicated router You should only use a dedicate router if you want your network to remain available. ;> ---

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Gregory Croft wrote: > I'm not having problems... Well, not yet anyways.  :) > > Just investigating to see if there is a reason I shouldn't use a > firewall at the edge versus a dedicated router as well as to see if > anyone can share their specific experience with

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-07 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 10:19:58AM -0800, Holmes,David A wrote: > My concern is whether or not consolidating border router and firewall > functions in the same device violates, if not explicitly, then the spirit of > the "defense in depth" Internet edge design principle. Her

RE: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-07 Thread Holmes,David A
@nanog.org Subject: RE: BGP and Firewalls... I'm not having problems... Well, not yet anyways. :) Just investigating to see if there is a reason I shouldn't use a firewall at the edge versus a dedicated router as well as to see if anyone can share their specific experience with the PAN devic

RE: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-07 Thread Gregory Croft
--Original Message- From: christopher.mor...@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.mor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:44 PM To: Gregory Croft Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: BGP and Firewalls... On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Gregory Croft wrote

Re: BGP and Firewalls...

2011-12-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Gregory Croft wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone have any experience with using firewalls as edge devices > when BGP is concerned? > > Specifically the Palo Alto series of devices. nokia/checkpoint has done this for ages. what's the problem you have?