On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Neil Harris wrote:
> The fact that the usable bandwidth resulting from ad-hoc mesh wiki would be
> tiny compared to broadband connections doesn't mean this sort of thing isn't
> worth trying: a few tens of kilobits a second is plenty for speech, and even
> a few h
On 18/02/11 12:26, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 09:38:18AM -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
geographic location doesn't map to topology
In LEO satellite constellations and mesh wireless it typically does.
When bootstrapping a global mesh, one could use VPN tunnels over
Internet to emul
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 09:38:18AM -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> geographic location doesn't map to topology
In LEO satellite constellations and mesh wireless it typically does.
When bootstrapping a global mesh, one could use VPN tunnels over
Internet to emulate long-distance links initially.
Eb
Randy Bush wrote:
except we have a history of it happening
You mean the whole innertubes went down because some dewd haxx0red it? I
believe that was the claim being made in so many words (maybe he was
just trying to land that DARPA job). It's one thing for parts of the
innertubes to go down,
On Tue, 11 May 2010, Mmaad Dooog wrote:
Is anyone going to jump on the irony of the last two paragraphs?
Having to use the excessively rigid, slow, static, boring expensive PSTN
to fix the cool, fast, flexible cheap, cool, fun Internet? That'll work
just fine, of course. Until, that is, one o
In a message written on Sun, May 09, 2010 at 09:32:57AM -0400, Steven Bellovin
wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/08/business/AP-US-TEC-Fragile-Internet.html
>
> It's a pretty reasonable article, too, though I don't know that I agree about
> the "simplicity of the routing system"..
>> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/08/business/AP-US-TEC-Fragile-Internet.html
>>
>> It's a pretty reasonable article, too, though I don't know that I agree
>> about the "simplicity of the routing system"
>
> I am very skeptical whenever I see claims of this nature "If I do X I
> ca
I'm right there with you. I'm pretty sure the Internet would have crashed
and burned long ago from human error if this was the case. People typically
unintentionally bungle things worse than when they mean to.
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> Steven Bellovin wrote:
>
>>
Steven Bellovin wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/08/business/AP-US-TEC-Fragile-Internet.html
It's a pretty reasonable article, too, though I don't know that I agree about the
"simplicity of the routing system"
I am very skeptical whenever I see claims of this nature "If I do
On May 10, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/08/business/AP-US-TEC-Fragile-Internet.html
embarrassing but pretty much correct. a reporter did their homework.
if i knew who it was, i would add them to my very small "willing to
talk
to" list.
Pete
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/08/business/AP-US-TEC-Fragile-Internet.html
embarrassing but pretty much correct. a reporter did their homework.
if i knew who it was, i would add them to my very small "willing to talk
to" list.
> It's a pretty reasonable article, too, though I don't kn
On 5/9/2010 10:54 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 5/9/2010 12:50, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> [The wonderful New And Improved Thunderbird deleted a response and the
>> message I was responding to--I don't know how or why--seems to have to
>> do with the arrival of new messages.]
>>
>> The message I was r
On 5/9/2010 12:50, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> [The wonderful New And Improved Thunderbird deleted a response and the
> message I was responding to--I don't know how or why--seems to have to
> do with the arrival of new messages.]
>
> The message I was responding-to seemed to be a rant that the reason
[The wonderful New And Improved Thunderbird deleted a response and the
message I was responding to--I don't know how or why--seems to have to
do with the arrival of new messages.]
The message I was responding-to seemed to be a rant that the reason Area
Code changes are (were) a hassle was due to t
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 12:47:53PM -0400, Steven Bellovin wrote:
> It was discussed during the IPng days.
I realize the scheme is old, I myself reinvented it around 1990.
I guess give that the idea hasn't gone very far since kind answers
my own question.
> My view at the time -- and my view t
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 09:38:18AM -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> geographic location doesn't map to topology
In orbital line of sight (LoS) constellations and wireless meshes,
yes. Arguably there's a cost function over fiber laid as well, e.g.
long-distance fiber runs typically follow a geodesic.
On May 9, 2010, at 12:30 47PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:54:46AM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>
>> And when I drive someplace, I do indeed go by the signs I see, which are
>> not erected by a central authority, as I move along. (I don't have a
>> route from here to Fairbank
On 05/09/2010 09:30 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:54:46AM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>
>> And when I drive someplace, I do indeed go by the signs I see, which are
>> not erected by a central authority, as I move along. (I don't have a
>> route from here to Fairbanks, Alas
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:54:46AM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> And when I drive someplace, I do indeed go by the signs I see, which are
> not erected by a central authority, as I move along. (I don't have a
> route from here to Fairbanks, Alaska, but my MCA shows one from here to
> Council Bluf
On 5/9/2010 08:32, Steven Bellovin wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/08/business/AP-US-TEC-Fragile-Internet.html
>
> It's a pretty reasonable article, too, though I don't know that I
> agree about the "simplicity of the routing system"
I worry about the implications in the arti
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