Re: [NANOG] DWDM

2008-04-29 Thread Neil J. McRae
Frank, Agreed, the infinera platform is very good also. thanks for he link. Neil. -Original Message- From: Frank Coluccio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2008 20:31 To: NANOG; Neil J. McRae; Frank Coluccio Subject: Re: [NANOG] DWDM ps - a 2007 updated prezo on SURFnet6's

Re: [NANOG] DWDM

2008-04-29 Thread Frank Coluccio
ps - a 2007 updated prezo on SURFnet6's DWDM network presented by Erik-Jan Bos: http://www.ces.net/doc/seminars/cef2007/p/bos.ppt -- On Tue Apr 29 15:05 , Frank Coluccio sent: >re: "the latest CPL technology from Nortel is a real breakthrough, for once a >vendor has listened and understood the

Re: [NANOG] DWDM

2008-04-29 Thread Frank Coluccio
re: "the latest CPL technology from Nortel is a real breakthrough, for once a vendor has listened and understood the challenges for operators and actively addressed our concerns." When CPL was appeared I found its architecture refreshingly straightforward, as you've also noted, which was best demo

Re: [NANOG] DWDM

2008-04-25 Thread Randy Bush
> Here's a map showing some of the regional optical networks > run by the R&E community. There's a lot more unrepresented ^ american > here, especially in metro environments. europe is similar. some of asia is similar. scott might better have asked what r&e communities were not dwdm.

Re: [NANOG] DWDM More Details

2008-04-25 Thread John Lee
run stuff you will pay for it. Side note, I liked your two presentations. john From: Alex Pilosov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:58 PM To: John Lee Cc: Scott E. MacKenzie; NANOG Subject: RE: [NANOG] DWDM More Details On Fri, 25 Apr 2008

Re: [NANOG] DWDM More Details

2008-04-25 Thread Dale W. Carder
On Apr 25, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Alex Pilosov wrote: > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, John Lee wrote: > > I'd be curious to ask reverse question, did anyone *have* real > problems > deploying duct tape systems, or power jitter chromatic dispersion is > vendor mumbo jumbo designed to make you buy their gear?

Re: [NANOG] DWDM More Details

2008-04-25 Thread Alex Pilosov
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, John Lee wrote: > In your talk, I agree that the CAN with your CWDM is not that expensive > but you also mention that the tighter DWDM with long haul optics is > expensive ie "Everybody knows how to do (active) xWDM by giving a lot of > money to (insert vendor of choice]:" >

Re: [NANOG] DWDM More Details

2008-04-25 Thread John Lee
tt E. MacKenzie; NANOG Subject: Re: [NANOG] DWDM More Details On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, John Lee wrote: > Subscribe to Lightwave (at no charge) and look at the back issues for > networks. Show up at Supercom or OFC or what is replacing them and get the > latest on ROADM, full channel tunable

Re: [NANOG] DWDM More Details

2008-04-25 Thread Alex Pilosov
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, John Lee wrote: > Subscribe to Lightwave (at no charge) and look at the back issues for > networks. Show up at Supercom or OFC or what is replacing them and get the > latest on ROADM, full channel tunable lasers and maintenance costs. > > What size of network do you want t

Re: [NANOG] DWDM More Details

2008-04-25 Thread John Lee
Scott, Do you want CWDM - Course Wave Division Multiplexing - > 100 nm optical spacing 1 - 10 x 2.5 - 10 Gbps lambdas DWDM - Dense Wave Division Multiplexing - =50 nm optical spacing 20 - 40 x 2.5 - 10 Gbps UDWDM - Ultra Dense Wave Division Multipl

Re: [NANOG] DWDM

2008-04-25 Thread Dale W. Carder
On Apr 25, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Scott E. MacKenzie wrote: > Does anyone know where I can locate a list of DWDM networks > deployed for > Education, Science & Research, and Commercialization? Here's a map showing some of the regional optical networks run by the R&E community. There's a lot more unr

Re: [NANOG] DWDM

2008-04-25 Thread Neil J. McRae
The current technologies for DWDM have really made it technology that's reasonably straight forward to deploy. The last generation was a nightmare! Tuneable optics, dispersion compensation, and ROADM have made a substantial difference to deploying and operating DWDM networks. I had experience wi

Re: [NANOG] DWDM

2008-04-25 Thread Kevin Barrass
: 25 April 2008 13:17 To: 'Scott E. MacKenzie'; 'NANOG' Subject: Re: [NANOG] DWDM www.nlr.net www.internet2.edu These are the major players in the Education RONS that are self owned and managed. The nlr site will show the regional Robert D. Scott [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [NANOG] DWDM

2008-04-25 Thread Robert D. Scott
www.nlr.net www.internet2.edu These are the major players in the Education RONS that are self owned and managed. The nlr site will show the regional Robert D. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Network Engineer 352-273-0113 Phone CNS - Network Services 352-392-2061

Re: [NANOG] DWDM

2008-04-25 Thread Randy Bush
Scott E. MacKenzie wrote: > Does anyone know where I can locate a list of DWDM networks deployed for > Education, Science & Research, and Commercialization? > > We need to determine the practicality of DWDM use... you seem to have missed menog unfortunately. you may want to come to the afren mee