Re: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
will work EVEN if you don't support IPv6 in your network, so it will show if some transition traffic is passing thru. Regards, Jordi > De: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Fecha: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:41:17 +0100 > Para: > Conversación: why

Re: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 30-mei-2007, at 13:23, Nathan Ward wrote: I can't seem to reach www.ietf.org over IPv6 these days and I have to wait 10 seconds before I fall back to IPv4. What browser are you using that falls back? Does it require hints (ie. unreachables, or similar) or does a timeout in TCP session

Re: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread Nathan Ward
On 30/05/2007, at 11:41 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Before someone starts it, the debate between transition protocols to use is well and truely over. Teredo and 6to4 have been chosen for use by the software vendors of the end systems. (fine by me) This is misleading. You are using IPv6 j

RE: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread michael.dillon
> Before someone starts it, the debate between transition > protocols to use is well and truely over. Teredo and 6to4 > have been chosen for use by the software vendors of the end > systems. (fine by me) This is misleading. You are using IPv6 jargon (transition protocol) whose meaning is not o

Re: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread Nathan Ward
On 30/05/2007, at 8:00 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I can't seem to reach www.ietf.org over IPv6 these days and I have to wait 10 seconds before I fall back to IPv4. What browser are you using that falls back? Does it require hints (ie. unreachables, or similar) or does a timeout in TCP

Re: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 29-mei-2007, at 21:53, David Conrad wrote: We have tried to overlay the same transport and presentation layer onto a new network layer, but have not engineered the new network layer to facilitate this. We have new APIs and new naming attributes, requiring applications to do the heavy l

Re: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-29 Thread David Conrad
Ed, On May 29, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Edward Lewis wrote: If you want to read Dilbert on-line and I tell you that it is available at a certain URL, would you rather I give you "http:// www.dilbert.com" or that I send you "if you use IPv4 then http:// www.dilbert.com" else if you use IPv6 then ht

Re: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-29 Thread Edward Lewis
At 12:01 -0700 5/29/07, David Conrad wrote: What a horrible idea. Applications automatically pre- or appending crap to domain name labels shouldn't be done, period. I won't argue that, but it happens. And I do make use of it. When I am back from a trip I type in "dilbert" and see the comi

Re: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-29 Thread David Conrad
Ed, On May 29, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: First - "the way you ask for names" is not different at the application level, it is different in the "layer" in which you find where to shoot packets. Right. The problem is, the methodology by which you shoot packets may or may not w