RE: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-06 Thread John van Oppen
: 206.973.8302 Main: 206.973.8300 Website: http://spectrumnetworks.us -Original Message- From: William Herrin [mailto:herrin-na...@dirtside.com] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:11 PM To: ML Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:24 PM, ML

RE: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-04 Thread Frank Bulk - iName.com
and to add, OTDR at several wavelengths, just in case you want to do xWDM in the future. Frank -Original Message- From: ML [mailto:m...@kenweb.org] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:24 PM To: Mike Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations On 1/1/2010 5

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-04 Thread Kevin Hodle
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Martin, Paul wrote: > > If you only want 1gig, then if the SP provides it, won't it be cheaper > to simply get a 1gig circuit from them that hands off to you on a GigE > port rather than pay for all the various higher spec equipment that > you'd otherwise require? >

RE: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-04 Thread Martin, Paul
evin Hodle [mailto:kevin.ho...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 January 2010 23:36 To: Mike Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Mike wrote: > I am looking at the possibility of leasing a ~70 mile run of fiber. I don't > have access to

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Kevin Hodle
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Mike wrote: > I am looking at the possibility of leasing a ~70 mile run of fiber. I don't > have access to any mid point section for regeneration purposes, and so I am > wondering what the chances that a 120km rated SFP would be able to light the > path and provide

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010, Justin M. Streiner wrote: Some OTDRs (or, more correctly, fiber test sets that include OTDR capabilities) are multi-function devices that will show you the overall length (assuming the span is not broken somewhere in the middle), of the span, plus attenuation and reflection

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 02/01/2010 18:37, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > I'm a big believer in running my own tests when possible, and not just > relying on $provider's word. It also allows me to verify what their > engineering reports tell me about the condition of a span. +1 There's nothing like having hard data to s

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Justin M. Streiner wrote: The first thing you need to do is test the fiber with an OTDR. If you don't have one, you can probably contract a local cabling company to test it for you. Why would you want an OTDR report on the

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Michael K. Smith
On 1/2/10 2:58 AM, "Mikael Abrahamsson" wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > >> The first thing you need to do is test the fiber with an OTDR. If you >> don't have one, you can probably contract a local cabling company to >> test it for you. > > Why would you want an OTD

RE: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Carlos Alcantar
In my experience in leasing dark fiber strands over long distance the providers usually give the option for regen colo space. And in some cases they wanted to know full specs of the equipment you are going to be using so there is no questions if it will work or not. Carlos Alcantar Race Telecomm

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Rene Avi
On 02.01.2010 13:22, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 12:35:15PM +0100, Rene Avi wrote: With regards to suggested EDFA amplification tricks and similar: If the requirement is not > 15...@1g or 8...@10g/DWDM then I personally strongly disencourage the use of optical amps. 200k

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 12:35:15PM +0100, Rene Avi wrote: > With regards to suggested EDFA amplification tricks and similar: If > the requirement is not > 15...@1g or 8...@10g/DWDM then I personally > strongly disencourage the use of optical amps. 200km / 41dB 1G SFPs > are available with costs way

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Rene Avi
On 02.01.2010 02:10, William Herrin wrote: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:24 PM, ML wrote: Pardon my ignorance in this area but is too much to ask for OTDR data before signing contracts? In addition to data on the make of the fiber if you wanted to do xWDM in the future. Yes, it's too much to ask.

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-02 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Justin M. Streiner wrote: The first thing you need to do is test the fiber with an OTDR. If you don't have one, you can probably contract a local cabling company to test it for you. Why would you want an OTDR report on the fiber, when an attenuation report is probably mo

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-01 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 02/01/2010 00:24, ML wrote: > Pardon my ignorance in this area but is too much to ask for OTDR data > before signing contracts? In addition to data on the make of the fiber > if you wanted to do xWDM in the future. fibre grade / quality, absolutely. otdr is difficult, because fibre providers

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-01 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 7:24 PM, ML wrote: > Pardon my ignorance in this area but is too much to ask for OTDR data before > signing contracts?  In addition to data on the make of the fiber if you > wanted to do xWDM in the future. Yes, it's too much to ask. They won't splice your path until you si

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-01 Thread ML
On 1/1/2010 5:52 PM, Mike wrote: I am looking at the possibility of leasing a ~70 mile run of fiber. I don't have access to any mid point section for regeneration purposes, and so I am wondering what the chances that a 120km rated SFP would be able to light the path and provide stable connectivit

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-01 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On Friday 01 January 2010 23:19:30 Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 02:52:33PM -0800, Mike wrote: > > I am looking at the possibility of leasing a ~70 mile run of fiber. I > > don't have access to any mid point section for regeneration purposes, > > and so I am wondering what

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-01 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 02:52:33PM -0800, Mike wrote: > I am looking at the possibility of leasing a ~70 mile run of fiber. I > don't have access to any mid point section for regeneration purposes, > and so I am wondering what the chances that a 120km rated SFP would be > able to light the path

Re: dark fiber and sfp distance limitations

2010-01-01 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Mike wrote: I am looking at the possibility of leasing a ~70 mile run of fiber. I don't have access to any mid point section for regeneration purposes, and so I am wondering what the chances that a 120km rated SFP would be able to light the path and provide stable connectiv