Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-06 Thread Jethro R Binks
On Sun, 2 Jan 2011, Lynda wrote: > Google does NOT know all. I was there. I have had to deal with a > building full of such wickedness. I administered DNS (in my copious > spare time) for two subdomains, and managed the network in the building > (a not inconsiderable /22, and also in my spare t

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-06 Thread Jethro R Binks
On Sun, 2 Jan 2011, Steven Bellovin wrote: > > This was actually the intended way to use "MAC" addresses, to used as > > host addresses rather than as individual interface addresses, according > > to the following paper - > > > > "48-bit Absolute Internet and Ethernet Host Numbers" > > Yogan K. D

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-03 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:45:54 +1030 > From: Mark Smith > > Hi, > > On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:50:42 -0500 > Steven Bellovin wrote: > > > > > On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:33 24PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:59:16 -0700 > > > Brielle Bruns wrote: > > > > > >> On 1/1/11 8:33 PM

RE: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-03 Thread Express Web Systems
One interesting aside to all of this... HP Lefthand SAN actually licenses the SAN/IQ software off of the NIC1 MAC address. I can't help but wonder if the MAC address is set to that specific address to possibly get around that (perhaps a leaked license or something). If nothing else... You can lice

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-03 Thread Jima
On 01/01/2011 09:33 PM, Graham Wooden wrote: > In the last 15 years of being in IT, I have never encountered a ³burned-in² > duplicated MACs across two physically different machines. What are the > odds, that HP would dup¹d them and that both would eventually end up at my > shop? Or maybe this ty

RE: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-03 Thread Daniel Dib
On Mon, jan 03, 2011 at 07:05:24, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > Subject: Re: The tale of a single MAC > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Dobbins, Roland wrote: > > > I remember that there were several high-profile instances of > duplicate > > MAC addresses being burnt into NICs du

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Dobbins, Roland wrote: I remember that there were several high-profile instances of duplicate MAC addresses being burnt into NICs during the 1990s - once every 2-3 years, IIRC. And those were just the ones that were discussed publicly. D-Link shipped NAT-boxes around 2003

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jan 3, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Lynda wrote: > My guess is that you'll never find it on Google, since it happened around > 1993-4 or so. I remember that there were several high-profile instances of duplicate MAC addresses being burnt into NICs during the 1990s - once every 2-3 years, IIRC. And

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Lynda
On 1/2/2011 6:00 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Corey Quinn wrote: On Jan 2, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Franck Martin wrote: In the early 90's a friend of mine got a box of 10 HP cards with all the same MAC address. In my early days of network admining, a coworker told me

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Corey Quinn wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > >> In the early 90's a friend of mine got a box of 10 HP cards with all the >> same MAC address. > > In my early days of network admining, a coworker told me a (apocryphal) story > of 3com sh

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Corey Quinn
On Jan 2, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > In the early 90's a friend of mine got a box of 10 HP cards with all the same > MAC address. In my early days of network admining, a coworker told me a (apocryphal) story of 3com shipping a batch of 80K cards with identical MAC addresses, whic

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Jan 2, 2011, at 5:15 54PM, Mark Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:50:42 -0500 > Steven Bellovin wrote: > >> >> On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:33 24PM, Mark Smith wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:59:16 -0700 >>> Brielle Bruns wrote: >>> On 1/1/11 8:33 PM, Graham Wooden wrote:

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread mikea
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:33:46PM -0600, Graham Wooden wrote: > Hi there, > > I encountered an interesting issue today and I found it so bizarre ? so I > thought I would share it. > > I brought online a spare server to help offload some of the recent VMs that > I have been deploying. Around the

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Mark Smith
Hi, On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:50:42 -0500 Steven Bellovin wrote: > > On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:33 24PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:59:16 -0700 > > Brielle Bruns wrote: > > > >> On 1/1/11 8:33 PM, Graham Wooden wrote: > >> > >> Excellent example is, IIRC, the older sparc stuff

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Franck Martin
In the early 90's a friend of mine got a box of 10 HP cards with all the same MAC address. - Original Message - From: "Graham Wooden" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, 2 January, 2011 4:33:46 PM Subject: The tale of a single MAC Hi there, I encountered an interesting issue today and I

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread GP Wooden
Fresh install and the NICs are Broadcom b57 10/100/1000, I believe. - Reply message - From: "Randy McAnally" Date: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 8:53 am Subject: The tale of a single MAC To: "Graham Wooden" , -- Original Message --- From: Graham Wooden > Hi there, > > I encounter

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Steven Bellovin
I should note -- this isn't that surprising. The IPv6 stateless autoconfig RFCs have always assumed that this could happen, which is why duplicate address detection is mandatory.

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Randy McAnally
-- Original Message --- From: Graham Wooden > Hi there, > > I encountered an interesting issue today and I found it so bizarre ­ > so I thought I would share it. > > I brought online a spare server to help offload some of the recent > VMs that I have been deploying. Around th

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Eric Tow
About 11-12 years ago, we ghosted Compaq Prosignia 330? desktops with Intel NICs. When we ghosted them, some of the desktops ended up with the same MAC addresses on the NICs. It turned out that there were two different models of Intel NICs in the desktops and ghosting the desktop with the second

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:33 24PM, Mark Smith wrote: > On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:59:16 -0700 > Brielle Bruns wrote: > >> On 1/1/11 8:33 PM, Graham Wooden wrote: >>> So here is the interesting part... Both servers are HP Proliant DL380 G4s, >>> and both of their NIC1 and NIC2 MACs addresses are exactl

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-02 Thread Graham Wooden
Hey Seth, thanks for the reply. I don't use the iLO port, so I didn't look at it's MAC within the BIOS, however my issue isn't that the MACs are the same within a physical machine. They're different, just like all the other HP gear ... It's that I have two machines that the MACs are identical. L

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/1/11 7:33 PM, Graham Wooden wrote: > > So ­ here is the interesting part... Both servers are HP Proliant DL380 G4s, > and both of their NIC1 and NIC2 MACs addresses are exactly the same. Not > spoofd and the OS drivers are not mucking with them ... They¹re burned-in ­ > I triple checked them

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Ian Henderson
On 02/01/2011, at 2:33 PM, Graham Wooden wrote: > I encountered an interesting issue today and I found it so bizarre – so I > thought I would share it. Had a fun one with D-Link ADSL modems a few years ago. The MAC address used to source PPPoE frames from the ADSL interface was the same in a bat

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Wooden
Two different suppliers - one was out of Wisconsin (I believe; it's been some time), and the other of Phoenix for the most recent batch. I have lots and lots of HP server gear - and never encountered such bizarre issue. On 1/1/11 9:59 PM, "Brielle Bruns" wrote: > On 1/1/11 8:33 PM, Graham Wood

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Wooden
No - these are Genuine HP Servers. Both servers have the latest BIOSs and firmware applied to the board as well as cards. The search results that I have seen didn't apply to the actual bios, rather to guest Oss mucking or teamming. On 1/1/11 9:56 PM, "Dobbins, Roland" wrote: > > On Jan 2, 201

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread bmanning
i have seen dups in 3com, dell, and hp kit over the years. the best was moving mac addresses btwn 802,3 and 802.5 cards. --bill On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 03:03:24PM +1030, Mark Smith wrote: > On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:59:16 -0700 > Brielle Bruns wrote: > > > On 1/1/11 8:33 PM, Graham Wooden wrote:

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Mark Smith
On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:59:16 -0700 Brielle Bruns wrote: > On 1/1/11 8:33 PM, Graham Wooden wrote: > > So ­ here is the interesting part... Both servers are HP Proliant DL380 G4s, > > and both of their NIC1 and NIC2 MACs addresses are exactly the same. Not > > spoofd and the OS drivers are not mu

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Adrian Chadd
So along simlar lines, Ubiquiti sell routerstation pro boards with sequential MAC addresses. The trouble is they've allocated a single MAC for the first port - the second ethernet port (also attached to the bridge) doesn't get a second MAC. So in a purchase of a few hundred boards, we had plenty

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jan 2, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Graham Wooden wrote: > What are the odds, that HP would dup’d them and that both would eventually > end up at my shop? There may be some setting you're overlooking or a bug which needs an update to fix, or you may simply have purchased HP ProLiant *cases*, rather

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 1/1/11 8:33 PM, Graham Wooden wrote: So ­ here is the interesting part... Both servers are HP Proliant DL380 G4s, and both of their NIC1 and NIC2 MACs addresses are exactly the same. Not spoofd and the OS drivers are not mucking with them ... They¹re burned-in ­ I triple checked them in their

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Raul Rodriguez
Seen this on six-figure gateways. -RR On 1/1/11, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > I've seen duplicate MAC addresses but only on no name made in china > NICs installed on cheap (assembled from parts) PCs at a school > computer lab. > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Graham Wooden wrote: >> >> In

Re: The tale of a single MAC

2011-01-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I've seen duplicate MAC addresses but only on no name made in china NICs installed on cheap (assembled from parts) PCs at a school computer lab. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Graham Wooden wrote: > > In the last 15 years of being in IT, I have never encountered a ³burned-in² > duplicated MACs a