Re: Resilience - How many BGP providers

2009-11-12 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:18:20AM -0800, Steve Gibbard wrote: > If you have three components, the chances of all three being broken at > once are even less than the chances of two of them being broken at > once. With four, you're even safer, and so on and so forth. But once > you get beyond two,

Re: Resilience - How many BGP providers

2009-11-12 Thread Tore Anderson
* a...@baklawasecrets.com > - I could ask the question as to whether I can peer with separate > routers on each of the upstreams. i.e. to protect against router > failures on their side. If you're getting transit from two different upstreams, you're pretty much guaranteed to be connected to two

Re: Resilience - How many BGP providers

2009-11-11 Thread David Hiers
It is wise to stack the deck in your favor, but you'll never really know how much real redundancy you've purchased: http://www.atis.org/ndai/ATIS_NDAI_Final_Report_2006.pdf David On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM, wrote: > I suppose I could take the whole resilience thing further and further

RE: Resilience - How many BGP providers

2009-11-11 Thread adel
I suppose I could take the whole resilience thing further and further and further. One of the replies used a phrase which I thing captured the problem quite nicely: "diminishing returns". Basically I could spend lots and lots of money to try and eliminate all single points of failure. Clearl

Re: Resilience - How many BGP providers

2009-11-11 Thread Steve Gibbard
The thing to remember about redundancy is that it's a statistical game rather than a magic formula. You can be reasonably sure that any single component will go down at some point. Nothing works perfectly. Few things last forever. If you have two fairly reliable components, and if they're s

Re: Resilience - How many BGP providers

2009-11-11 Thread Jay Hennigan
Dylan Ebner wrote: IF you only have one entrance, all you connections are going to run through that conduit, and that makes you susceptable to a rouge backhoe. Not just the rouge ones. The big yellow ones are far more common and can do just as much damage. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Ne

RE: Resilience - How many BGP providers

2009-11-11 Thread Dylan Ebner
You question has many caveats. Just having two providers does not necessarily get you more resiliency. If you have two providers and they are terminating on the same router, then you still have a SPOF problem. You also need to look at pysical paths as well. If you have two (or three) providers