On 4/24/20 16:26, Matthew Black wrote:
Has anyone else noticed a steep decline in annoying phone calls since
the FCC threatened legal action against three major VOIP gateways if
they didn’t make efforts to prevent Caller ID spoofing from scammers?
Not particularly. The car warranty and credit
STIR/SHAKEN?
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 14:34 Michael Thomas wrote:
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> On 4/27/20 11:12 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, William Herrin wrote:
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> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:32 PM Matthew Black
> >> wrote:
> >>> Good grief, selling a kit for $47. Since all robocalls employ Caller
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:12 AM Jon Lewis wrote:
> I suspect the only sure way to identify them is to do
> business with them, i.e. buy that extended warranty on your car, or at
> least start walking through the process until either payment is made or
> they tell you who you'll have to pay. I wo
The obvious way to id them is to buy whatever it is they are selling.
So that reduces the problem to being able to cancel the transaction
once id'd, and probably using fraudulent credentials.
It might take a little more strategy than what I just described, there
are other potential pitfalls.
I
On 4/27/20 11:12 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, William Herrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:32 PM Matthew Black
wrote:
Good grief, selling a kit for $47. Since all robocalls employ Caller
ID spoofing, just how does one prove who called?
You don't. AFAICT, that's the point o
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, William Herrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:32 PM Matthew Black wrote:
Good grief, selling a kit for $47. Since all robocalls employ Caller ID
spoofing, just how does one prove who called?
You don't. AFAICT, that's the point of Anne's comments. Finding them
is good
On 4/27/20 9:15 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
What exactly is this "basic internet research"? I thought the big problem is
that they are trivially capable of covering their tracks.
There is always a money trail. Always. Because the whole point of these
calls/sms messages is to get mone
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:32 PM Matthew Black wrote:
> Good grief, selling a kit for $47. Since all robocalls employ Caller ID
> spoofing, just how does one prove who called?
You don't. AFAICT, that's the point of Anne's comments. Finding them
is good enough. Paying off anyone who both finds the
t;Jon Lewis" , "North American Network Operators' Group"
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 11:29:12 AM
Subject: Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls
Mike,
Except in this case the flaw was acknowledged back in the 80' and it room the
FCC almost 40 years to do s
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> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 6:36:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls
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> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Matthew Black wrote:
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> >
> > Has anyone else noticed a steep decline i
> What exactly is this "basic internet research"? I thought the big problem is
> that they are trivially capable of covering their tracks.
There is always a money trail. Always. Because the whole point of these
calls/sms messages is to get money out of you. And the money trail almost
alway
>> Well, while we are already engaged in the thread, some of you may be
>> interested to know (especially if you find yourself with time on your
>> hands these days), that you *can* actually get money from these
>> scum. In fact, it turns out that they cave pretty easily because
>> they *know* t
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> https://www.theinternetpatrol.com/how-to-shake-down-robocallers-and-robotexters-for-fun-and-profit/
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I absolutely endorse this idea. Very early in my career, I worked for a
shop that provided network/IT services for a bottom tier debt collector,
one of the early innovators of the 'rent-a-la
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> I think the bigger issue is they are all entirely operated out of india.
>
Why is that specifically a problem, exactly?
There are many reasons why it is *easier* to setup a scam call center in
India, but it's not like the Indian authorities completely ignore the
problem. One operation in Indi
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 4/25/20 10:23 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
So, harass those phone spammers for fun *and* profit! ;-) Here's the
write-up I did, feel free to ask me any questions you may have. :-)
What exactly is this "basic internet research"? I thought the bi
> Good grief, selling a kit for $47. Since all robocalls employ Caller ID
> spoofing, just how does one prove who called? Will the telephone company
> simply hand over detailed transport records or the hidden Caller ID
> information? I don't care about making money or imposition of government
On 4/25/20 10:23 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
On Apr 24, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Matthew Black wrote:
Has anyone else noticed a steep decline in annoying phone calls since the FCC
threatened legal action against three major VOIP gateways if they didn’
On Sat, 2020-04-25 at 11:23 -0600, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
>
> Well, while we are already engaged in the thread, some of you may be
> interested to know (especially if you find yourself with time on your
> hands these days), that you *can* actually get money from these
> scum. In fact, it t
2020 10:23 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
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> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Matthew Black wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else noticed a steep decline in annoying phone calls since the
>>
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Matthew Black wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else noticed a steep decline in annoying phone calls since the
>> FCC threatened legal action against three major VOIP gateways if they didn’t
>> make efforts to prevent
>> Caller I
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To: "Matthew Black"
Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group"
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 6:36:28 PM
Subject: Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Matthew Black wrote:
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> Has anyone else noticed a steep decline in annoyin
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Matthew Black wrote:
Has anyone else noticed a steep decline in annoying phone calls since the FCC
threatened legal action against three major VOIP gateways if they didn’t make
efforts to prevent
Caller ID spoofing from scammers?
Not that it's at all on-topic for NANOG,
Oh, never mind. I just saw a similar thread: FCC and FTC Demand Cut-Off
Robercallers of Coronavirus Scam
The free Marriott vacation and Social Security Number suspension calls are no
more!
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