Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-09 Thread Cummings, Chris
The EX 4650 does indeed do 25G. Chris From: NANOG Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 16:10 To: Jürgen Jaritsch , nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP has (de facto) hard ji

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-09 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 09.07.2020 02.14, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: There's a difference between a TCP *resend*, and a *RESET*. Triggering a resend on a re-order is reasonably sane, sending an RST isn't You get the RESETs from people that do anycast when your broken ECMP hashing splits the packets between mul

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
(re-adding Adam's text that didn't get quoted, but matters) On Wed, 08 Jul 2020 13:49:56 +0300, Saku Ytti said: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:46, Radu-Adrian Feurdean > wrote: > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, at 00:09, Adam Thompson wrote: > > > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have -

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Adam Thompson
eudowire"? I can't even find a config example on the net :( thanks & best regards Jürgen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Adam Thompson [mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca] Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2020 23:09 An: Jürgen Jaritsch ; nanog@nanog.org Betreff: RE: L2VPN/L2transpo

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 14:56, Adam Thompson wrote: > If jitter were defined anywhere vis-à-vis LACP, it would be _de jure_, not > _de facto_ as I said. I suspect the de-facto domain you think of has modest population. As jitter would only matter in case where protocol measures delay and artifici

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Adam Thompson
If jitter were defined anywhere vis-à-vis LACP, it would be _de jure_, not _de facto_ as I said. Yes, if you have *guaranteed* that TCP sessions hash uniquely to a single link in your network, you might be able to successfully tunnel LACP (or EtherChannel, or any other L1 link-bonding technique

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jul/20 12:42, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote: > Errr sorry, but at the latest news, TCP was supposed to handle out of > order packets and reorder them before sending them to upper layer. > Not to mention hashing that almost systematically makes that all packets of > the same TCP stream wi

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:46, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote: > Errr sorry, but at the latest news, TCP was supposed to handle out of > order packets and reorder them before sending them to upper layer. > Not to mention hashing that almost systematically makes that all packets of > the same TCP

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, at 00:09, Adam Thompson wrote: > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP > has (de facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be > getting TCP resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets. Errr sorry, but at the la

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Jul/20 23:09, Adam Thompson wrote: > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP has (de > facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be getting TCP > resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets. Hmmh - this is odd. We once provided a c

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-07 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey Adam, On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 00:11, Adam Thompson wrote: > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP has (de > facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be getting TCP > resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets. Can you elaborate on

RE: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-07 Thread Adam Thompson
Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP has (de facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be getting TCP resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets. For your requirements, although I hesitate to recommend them for enterprise/carrier use,