Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-03 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/3/2014 3:31 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, David Hofstee wrote: About #3... I had a little discussion on abuse-wg@RIPE a while ago about keeping records up to date and relevant. See below. Nobody at RIPE cares much at the moment (to actually pick up this

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-03 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, David Hofstee wrote: > About #3... I had a little discussion on abuse-wg@RIPE a while ago about > keeping records up to date and relevant. See below. > > Nobody at RIPE cares much at the moment (to actually pick up this subject). > Maybe they need a push with a Te

RE: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-03 Thread David Hofstee
About #3... I had a little discussion on abuse-wg@RIPE a while ago about keeping records up to date and relevant. See below. Nobody at RIPE cares much at the moment (to actually pick up this subject). Maybe they need a push with a TerexRH400. David Hofstee Deliverability Management MailPlus

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: > Is the INOC-DBA project still around? Would > love to sign up for that and be able to check off > #3 as well. Yep. We had a bit of a dry spell on funding for it for a while, but we have someone starting full-time on it again in mid-August, a

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Scott Weeks
--- mpet...@netflight.com wrote: From: Matthew Petach Once that's done, all that's left is the naked routing run. With the way temperatures have been, I'm all in favour of that--pick a date, let's make it happen! - Nooo A bunch

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Matthew Petach
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Andrei Robachevsky wrote: > Colleagues, > > A small group of network operators has been working on defining a > minimal, but feasible package of recommended measures that, if deployed > on a wide scale, could result in visible improvements to the security > and res

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread goemon
On Wed, 2 Jul 2014, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 7/2/2014 1:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin wrote: People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will notice you. Shall we or

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > how can we improve? Hi Jared, Ask folks in the IRTF to hash out architectures for efficiently propagating permitted source information. The manual processes we have today don't cut it. Ask folks in the IETF and build a protocol or two around t

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: > On 7/2/2014 1:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: >> >> On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> >>> People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't >>> pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:22 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: >> No, but how else do you suggest we work to address these problems? >> While a naked run isn't my first choice, I am interested in practical >> solutions >> and responses. I've privately a

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 13:52:26 -0400, William Herrin said: > People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't > pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will > notice you. Shall we organize a naked routing run? Ew. That's a mental image I didn't need. P

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > No, but how else do you suggest we work to address these problems? > While a naked run isn't my first choice, I am interested in practical > solutions > and responses. I've privately and publicly documented some of my challenges > securing my

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/2/2014 1:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin wrote: People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will notice you. Shall we organize a naked routing run? No, but ho

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin wrote: > People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't > pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will > notice you. Shall we organize a naked routing run? No, but how else do you suggest we work to addre

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote: > On the other hand, people will notice & read a Œmanifesto¹. The industry > has preached things like BCP38 for many years with not great progress... Howdy, Best practices just means you're not quite the best -- often a worthy trade for con

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/2/2014 11:20 AM, William Herrin wrote: Seriously, manifesto? What's next, some routing unabombers? Oh wait, I guess we already have those, don't we? Seriously. And it is actually a deeper wound than that. The whole document (or as much of it as I was willing to read, anyway) is worded

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Livingood, Jason
On the other hand, people will notice & read a Œmanifesto¹. The industry has preached things like BCP38 for many years with not great progress... On 7/2/14, 12:20 PM, "William Herrin" wrote: >On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Andrei Robachevsky > wrote: >> We called this set of recommendations a

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Andrei Robachevsky wrote: > We called this set of recommendations a Routing Resilience Manifesto – > you can find a draft document here: https://www.routingmanifesto.org/. Howdy, First recommendation: ditch the word "manifesto." Manifesto is loaded with so many n