Re: Fwd: Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-02 Thread Scott Helms
Brian, That's only true if you want to truly implement transparent LAN services over DOCSIS. Separating the CPE data flow works with any DOCSIS 1.0 or better modem since all of the tricky parts are in the CMTS. We took a municipal cable network through 3 different CMTSs (3Com and then a

Re: Fwd: Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread Brian Mengel
One thing to be mindful of is that BSoD support may not be prevelant in the installed modem base of your MSO. Replacing those modems would be costly for someone. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM, iptech wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Thanks for the feedback, > > yes this is how I understand it also, howe

Re: Fwd: Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread Scott Helms
We ended up using something like this to separate out the traffic at layer 2 for each ISP: http://www.cablelabs.com/cablemodem/downloads/specs/CM-SP-L2VPN-I03-061222.pdf Look at section 5.1.2 Multiple ISP L2VPNs Basically the modems get DHCP & their config from the cable operator but the CPEs

Re: Fwd: Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread iptech
Hi Scott, Thanks for the feedback, yes this is how I understand it also, however I find it strange that the Cisco platform designated as the future LNS will not accommodate the DOCSIS 3.0requirements - not much collaboration. There is no roadmap for introcducing PPTP on the ASR1K that I can s

Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-08-01 Thread iptech
Hey Michael, Thanks for the feedback. From the scenarios below, I think that option 3 would be more feasible, i.e BSoD L2VPN, via pw. Our max expected number of sessions would not exceed 10k, so probably not an hw limiting issue for us. For option 4, we cannot accommodate this, as we are mov

RE: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-07-31 Thread Michael Bowe
Hi iptech As others have said, early Cisco CMTS could do full bridging and/or PPPoE termination, but newer gear is typically L3 style only. For wholesale, the cableco could do one of these : * L2 solution : Change your customers to configured as DOCSIS BSoD L2VPN, and deliver you one dot1q VLAN

Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-07-31 Thread Kyle Creyts
to elaborate on Valdis' reply, stick a fork in pptp, it is done. https://www.cloudcracker.com/blog/2012/07/29/cracking-ms-chap-v2/ On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:13 PM, iptech wrote: > Hey Ricky, > > Yes that is the exact setup, the cableco bring the customer to us via L2TP, > and now want to do PPTP

Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-07-31 Thread iptech
Hey Ricky, Yes that is the exact setup, the cableco bring the customer to us via L2TP, and now want to do PPTP only. I will keep digging on the ARRIS, which I have been told is a C4 system. Although their website doesnt show much tech specs. They are pushing for the L3 option since their CM

Fwd: Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-07-31 Thread Scott Helms
I've actually run into this specific problem and the issue your running into is that at no time was PPPoE part of the DOCSIS specification. It was supported on several CMTSs because the Cisco UBR shares much of its OS with more mainline Cisco routers wh

Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-07-31 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:33:51 -0300, iptech said: > 3.0 compliant setup, and this standard no longer supports PPPoE via > L2TP, and can now only offer PPTP for terminating with us. "Hi ISP, meet Moxie Marlinspike. Moxie, meet ISP. I think you two have something to discuss..." pgpKWNX0Eea1l.pgp

Re: DOCSIS 3.0 & PPPoE/L2TP compatibility

2012-07-31 Thread Ricky Beam
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:33:51 -0400, iptech wrote: 3.0 compliant setup, and this standard no longer supports PPPoE via L2TP, and can now only offer PPTP for terminating with us. As I recall from my reading of "the standard", there's nothing in there to prevent any tunneling on top of the DOC