. I think
there is a plan like this in some RIRs
- Original Message -
From: "Owen DeLong"
To: "George Bonser"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, 1 October, 2010 4:03:56 PM
Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:2
In message <5a6d953473350c4b9995546afe9939ee0a52b...@rwc-ex1.corp.seven.com>,
"George Bonser" wrote:
>So ARIN is in the process of verifying their contacts database.
>Organizations with an unreachable contact might be a good place to plant
>a "dig here" sign.
Fyi --
They (ARIN) already _are_
In message <67ef8ee2-8b1e-45f9-892e-9e6b88adb...@arin.net>,
John Curran wrote:
>Resources being used by actual defunct organizations we will reclaim if
>reported.
Well, fortunately, Joytel and some of their fellow travelers have just
recently gone 'round and identified a whole pantload of thes
>
> They do, indeed, for space that is/was issued by ARIN. That space is
> subject to annual fees and there is a clear and consistent method
> for doing so. The bigger problem is with legacy space (most of the
> space listed in the complaint we are discussing, if not all).
>
> In the case of lega
--- Original Message -
> From: "Owen DeLong"
> To: "George Bonser"
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Friday, 1 October, 2010 4:03:56 PM
> Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:27 PM, George Bon
> -Original Message-
> From: Owen DeLong
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 4:04 PM
> To: George Bonser
> Cc: Ricky Beam; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:27 PM, George Bonser
In message <608b18db-6e75-4b5e-ba42-d1f69ece4...@arin.net>,
John Curran wrote:
>You note the following:
>
>> They could say, to everyone involved, and to the community as a whole,
>> ``This ain't right. *We* maintain the official allocation records.
>> In most cases, *we* made the allocations,
Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:27 PM, George Bonser wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ricky Beam
>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:00 PM
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ...
On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:27 PM, George Bonser wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ricky Beam
>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:00 PM
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
>>
>
Thanks John,
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, John Curran wrote:
On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:43 PM, John Curran wrote:
Resources being used by actual defunct organizations we will reclaim if
reported.
Folks -
It occurred to me that I could have been clearer, so here I am replying
to myself...
When we at ARI
On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:43 PM, John Curran wrote:
>
> Resources being used by actual defunct organizations we will reclaim if
> reported.
Folks -
It occurred to me that I could have been clearer, so here I am replying
to myself...
When we at ARIN can readily determine that an organization is de
On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:27 PM, George Bonser wrote:
>
> The problem as I see it is that ARIN is responsible for issuing number
> resources but is not responsible for any maintenance of the number
> space. It seems they have no requirement/method/need to revoke
> assignments once the assigned entit
> -Original Message-
> From: Ricky Beam
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:00 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
>
> On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 06:45:10 -0400, Owen DeLong
> wrote:
> > It's not s
On 10/1/2010 2:17 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:32 AM, David Miller wrote:
I am merely refuting the statement, which I have heard many times in many
different forums, that ARIN (or any RIR) makes address allocations and then
walks away with no further active involvement i
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 06:45:10 -0400, Owen DeLong wrote:
It's not so much a matter of whether ARIN cares or whether ARIN wants
to do something about your issue. It's more a matter of whether ARIN
is empowered to do anything at all about your issue.
EXACTLY.
Ron, what exactly do you expect ARIN
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Are you suggesting that ARIN does _NOT_ publish data or that
ARIN doesn't keep the data current, or something else?
I already said what I meant, twice, and quite clearly, I think.
If you don't get it after two repetitions, then I
On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:22 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
> Nope! Apparently, ARIN's fraud reporting form is only to be used for
> reporting cases where somebody has fiddled one of ARIN's whois records
> in a fradulent way. If somebody just waltzes in and starts announcing a
> bunch of routes to
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 11:07:58AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
> In message <20101001123356.ga10...@vacation.karoshi.com.>,
> bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
>
> >On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:10:12AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> >>
> >> No, it's kind of like asking the DMV whe
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:32 AM, David Miller wrote:
> I am merely refuting the statement, which I have heard many times in many
> different forums, that ARIN (or any RIR) makes address allocations and then
> walks away with no further active involvement in the use of these
> allocations. This st
In message <20101001123356.ga10...@vacation.karoshi.com.>,
bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:10:12AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>>
>> No, it's kind of like asking the DMV whether the car belongs to the thief
>> or to someone else. They keep the records for
>
> So what you're saying is that ARIN should publish data on the rightful
> users of the number resources in some online database?
>
> (maybe they could call it WHOIS)
>
> --
> Dave
So ARIN is in the process of verifying their contacts database.
Organizations with an unreachable contact might
On 10/1/2010 5:22 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
really too much to ask? They could say, to everyone involved, and to
the community as a whole, ``This ain't right. *We* maintain the official
allocation records. In most cases, *we* made the allocations, and that
guy should NOT be announcing ro
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:07 AM, wrote:
\> I -think- what you are really after is the (fairly) new rPKI
> pilot - where there are crypto-keys tied to each delegated
> prefix. If the keys are valid, then ARIN (or other RIR) has
> "sanctioned" thier use. No or Bad cryp
On 10/1/2010 9:07 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 08:47:29AM -0400, David Miller wrote:
As to what ARIN can 'do' about addresses that are unused/abandoned and
later hijacked...
ARIN delegates Reverse DNS for every allocation that they make. Address
blocks tha
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 08:47:29AM -0400, David Miller wrote:
>
> As to what ARIN can 'do' about addresses that are unused/abandoned and
> later hijacked...
>
> ARIN delegates Reverse DNS for every allocation that they make. Address
> blocks that are reported, investigated, and determined to b
As to what ARIN can 'do' about addresses that are unused/abandoned and
later hijacked...
ARIN delegates Reverse DNS for every allocation that they make. Address
blocks that are reported, investigated, and determined to be
unused/abandoned could be delegated to special ARIN name servers that
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:10:12AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
> No, it's kind of like asking the DMV whether the car belongs to the thief
> or to someone else. They keep the records for Christ's sake! They *can*
> take a position on that rudumentary, simple, and basic question, and they
I sent an abuse complaint to Mr. Curran and the abuse helpdesk about a
month or two ago. Took weeks to get an initial response from the
helpdesk and i'm not certain they have actually done anything yet.
Jeff
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Heath Jones wrote:
> Come one mate, there's no need to
Come one mate, there's no need to be just outright insulting people.
Sure everyone disagrees on some things, but still...
Lets play out this scenario then. What would you recommend ARIN actually do?
I don't mean 'take a stance' or 'have an opinion', but rather what
process should in your mind they
In message ,
Owen DeLong wrote:
>It's not so much a matter of whether ARIN cares or whether ARIN wants
>to do something about your issue. It's more a matter of whether ARIN
>is empowered to do anything at all about your issue.
That is complete and utter horse shit, and you're just dodging the
Ronald,
It's not so much a matter of whether ARIN cares or whether ARIN wants
to do something about your issue. It's more a matter of whether ARIN
is empowered to do anything at all about your issue.
ARIN is a registry. They don't run routers (outside of a small handfull
of them that provide cert
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