Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-31 Thread Randy Bush
> Other than that are you comparing apples to apples when you compare > Nortel ATM switches (with EOL somewhere in 2004) with new ethernet > hardware? arista rulz tos

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-31 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Oct 31, 2010, at 19:25, bas wrote: > Hi Paul, > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Paul WALL wrote: >> I don't know what the big deal is. I've rolled at least 20 of these >> switches into my network, and not only are they more stable than the >> Centillion switches that they replaced, they o

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-31 Thread Jeff Kell
On 10/31/2010 10:25 PM, bas wrote: > Other than that are you comparing apples to apples when you compare > Nortel ATM switches (with EOL somewhere in 2004) with new ethernet > hardware? Nortel Centillion... had a cold chill run up my spine just thinking back about it... shadows of Synoptics...

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-31 Thread bas
Hi Paul, On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Paul WALL wrote: > I don't know what the big deal is.  I've rolled at least 20 of these > switches into my network, and not only are they more stable than the > Centillion switches that they replaced, they only cost half as much. > Most of the money I drop

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-31 Thread Paul WALL
I don't know what the big deal is. I've rolled at least 20 of these switches into my network, and not only are they more stable than the Centillion switches that they replaced, they only cost half as much. Most of the money I dropped was on converting my stations from token ring to ethernet. On

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-31 Thread bas
Hi, On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > I might also mention that I received private SPAM from a name we all > know and loath. (Hint: He's been banned from NANOG for VERY good > reason and his name is of French derivation.) I just added a filter to > block any mail mentioning

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 03:28:25 +0900 > From: Randy Bush > > >> plonk > > ... goes your custom > > Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy > > do not buy from spammers I might also mention that I received private SPAM from a name we all know and loath. (Hint: He's

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Atticus
What interests me is that they can't even be bothered to set up their own mail server, or at the very least to use Google Apps for mail.

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread gordon b slater
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 21:05 +0200, Lin Pica8 wrote: > Buy you glasses and a book about network engineering ;) ! eat your own words "in any of these ad-spam posts" Now get out, and stay out, of my NOCs Gord

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Lin Pica8
Buy you glasses and a book about network engineering ;) ! > Meanwhile, I'm failing to see a product http://www.pica8.org/products/pronto-3780 > source code http://sourceforge.net/p/xorplus/home/ > or more to the point, any operational aspect at all in any of these ad-spam > posts. Pica nativ

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread gordon b slater
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 03:28 +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > >> plonk > > ... goes your custom > > Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy > > do not buy from spammers ...goes without saying. I'm just wondering if this a guerilla launch for some new Oracle product or proje

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge(was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Lin Pica8
Wisdom > Summit Open Source Development Group > > > -Original Message- > From: Lin Pica8 > Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:42:36 > To: > Subject: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge >        (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack priceedge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Brielle Bruns
sh Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack priceedge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch) Sent: Oct 30, 2010 12:08 PM plonk 2010/10/30 Randy Bush : >> Hello, >> >> For your information : >> >> http://www.netw

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge(was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Tammy A Wisdom
en source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch) Hello, For your information : http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1 Mail : pica8@gmail.com 2010/10/19 Lin Pica8 : > Hello, > >

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Randy Bush
>> plonk > ... goes your custom > Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy do not buy from spammers

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread gordon b slater
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 20:08 +0200, Lin Pica8 wrote: > plonk ... goes your custom Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy cya

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Randy Bush said: > > Hello, > > > > For your information : > > > > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1 > > your spam is getting annoying Me too I've received direct spam as well about this crap as well, presumably from list add

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Lin Pica8
plonk 2010/10/30 Randy Bush : >> Hello, >> >> For your information : >> >> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1 > > your spam is getting annoying > > randy >

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Randy Bush
> Hello, > > For your information : > > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1 your spam is getting annoying randy

Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

2010-10-30 Thread Lin Pica8
Hello, For your information : http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1 Mail : pica8@gmail.com 2010/10/19 Lin Pica8 : > Hello, > > To have a better overview of a Cloud (or OpenFlow) Switch, I would > greatly appreciate to invite you to a further rea

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-19 Thread Joe Greco
> > We have dedicated servers. ?You get a 10 GHz 24-core CPU with 1TB of > > RAM. ?That's pretty clear and familiar to server geeks. > > Is that 10 as in Ten? Yes. It's not meant to be quite "real", it's meant as an example that any server geek ought to be able to figure out what sort of power t

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-19 Thread Heath Jones
> We have dedicated servers.  You get a 10 GHz 24-core CPU with 1TB of > RAM.  That's pretty clear and familiar to server geeks. Is that 10 as in Ten?

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-19 Thread Heath Jones
> We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches : > http://www.pica8.com/ Seeing as you claim they are opensource, could you please point to the documentation of the hardware? Specifically, I am looking for information regarding the FPGA/ASIC's used for forwarding & circuit diagra

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-19 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Peter Ashwood-Smith wrote: > ... > > a) bigger layer 2 networks with Vmware type mobility and no IP address > changes. Technolgies in this space are much more than just L2 switching, its > L2 switching on larger scales with encapsulation, multipathing etc. This is

RE: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-19 Thread Peter Ashwood-Smith
Yes "cloud computing" is a vastly overused term that is hard to nail down. That is why I try to get people to use the specific technology term they are talking about. Basically in my world "cloud computing" is the vision of having computation and storage just 'out there' without having to worry ab

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-19 Thread Stefan
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:21:29 +0100 > Nick Hilliard wrote: > >> On 18/10/2010 12:25, Lin Pica8 wrote: >> > We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches : >> >> Sounds interesting.  What chipset does this run on? >> >> Also, wh

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-19 Thread Lin Pica8
Hello, To have a better overview of a Cloud (or OpenFlow) Switch, I would greatly appreciate to invite you to a further reading of the presentation entitled "FI technologies on cloud computing and trusty networking" from our partner, Chunghwa Telecom (Leading ISP in Taiwan) : http://www.asiafi.ne

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Mon Oct 18 09:13:13 > 2010 > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:13:35 +0100 > From: Nick Hilliard > To: Brandon Kim > Subject: Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > > On 18/10/2010 14:27, Brandon K

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Henning Brauer
* Ricky Beam [2010-10-18 21:32]: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:30:48 -0400, Henning Brauer > wrote: > >"Currently, the Pica8 driver is released in binary form" > > > >none of the interesting low-level drivers is open. none. zero. > > If it's based on a Broadcom chip, trust me, they are doing the worl

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Doug Barton
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010, Joe Greco wrote: For example, consider the T-Mobile Sidekick Danger server crash/disaster. This is frequently pointed to as a "failure of the cloud", but in reality, it appears to have been trusting data to a company that wasn't exercising proper care in maintaining its serv

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Ricky Beam
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:30:48 -0400, Henning Brauer wrote: "Currently, the Pica8 driver is released in binary form" none of the interesting low-level drivers is open. none. zero. If it's based on a Broadcom chip, trust me, they are doing the world a favor by not exposing you to the SoC SDK.

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Joe Greco
> George: > > Nice answer. Do you think cloud services is based on an oversubscription mo= > del? > Where they hope those who purchase servers don't actually max them out memo= > ry/CPU wise? > > Do you also believer that cloud services should never have any downtime? To= > me=2C cloud services

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Djamel Sadok
r 18, 2010 8:14 AM > To: Brandon Kim > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch > > On 18/10/2010 14:27, Brandon Kim wrote: > > Good question Nick, what is a cloud switch? Is this like VSS in cisco > > where you have a virtual chassis? > >

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Mark Smith
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:21:29 +0100 Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 18/10/2010 12:25, Lin Pica8 wrote: > > We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches : > > Sounds interesting. What chipset does this run on? > > Also, what's a cloud switch? Is this a switch which forwards L2 traff

RE: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Brandon Kim
with redundancy > Subject: RE: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:17:09 -0700 > From: gbon...@seven.com > To: brandon@brandontek.com > CC: nanog@nanog.org > > > -Original Message- > > From: Brandon Kim > > Sent: Mon

RE: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Brandon Kim > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:58 AM > > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: RE: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch > > > Has our industry ever really fundamentally defined what is "cloud > computing"??

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Jorge Amodio
> But cloud computing? Yes, it is distributed high performance computing on a rainy day with a 99% chance of marketing hype and a 100% chance of non interoperability between clouds ... forecast may vary in your area. -J

RE: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Brandon Kim
Has our industry ever really fundamentally defined what is "cloud computing"? Even though "MPLS" is sort of a buzzword too, we can define it, how it works, it's protocol and such... But cloud computing? > Subject: RE: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch >

RE: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Matlock, Kenneth L
xempla.org -Original Message- From: Nick Hilliard [mailto:n...@foobar.org] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:14 AM To: Brandon Kim Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch On 18/10/2010 14:27, Brandon Kim wrote: > Good question Nick, what is a cloud switch? Is thi

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 18/10/2010 14:27, Brandon Kim wrote: Good question Nick, what is a cloud switch? Is this like VSS in cisco where you have a virtual chassis? The vss is virtual management software for a virtual switch. This box looks like a piece of hardware that you can plug things into, so I'm just won

RE: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Brandon Kim
Good question Nick, what is a cloud switch? Is this like VSS in cisco where you have a virtual chassis? > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:21:29 +0100 > From: n...@foobar.org > To: pica8@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch > CC: nanog@nanog.org > >

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Henning Brauer
* Lin Pica8 [2010-10-18 13:27]: > We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches : open source? you gotta be joking. "Currently, the Pica8 driver is released in binary form" none of the interesting low-level drivers is open. none. zero. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 18/10/2010 12:25, Lin Pica8 wrote: We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches : Sounds interesting. What chipset does this run on? Also, what's a cloud switch? Is this a switch which forwards L2 traffic, or did I miss something? Nick

Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Cool story bro. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Lin Pica8 wrote: > Hello, > > We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches : > > http://www.pica8.com/ > > Especially, a Pica8 Switch with the following specifications > (including Open Source Firmware) : > > -HW : 48x1Gbps + 4x1

Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch

2010-10-18 Thread Lin Pica8
Hello, We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches : http://www.pica8.com/ Especially, a Pica8 Switch with the following specifications (including Open Source Firmware) : -HW : 48x1Gbps + 4x10 Gbps -Firmware : L2/L3 management for VLAN, LACP, STP/RSTP, LLDP, OSPF, RIP, stat