Re: Phasing out of copper

In the same breath, Bell says they want the CRTC to deregulate copper, as it is no longer essential. I know right now, that if ULLs were forborne, we would not have a suitable substitute for our co-locate served customers. In 5 to 10 years, that might be a different story, but today it is n

Re: Phasing out of copper

Invoke Kushnick's Law * 'A regulated company will always renege on promises to provide public benefits tomorrow in exchange for regulatory and financial benefits today.'* On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei < jfmezei_na

Re: Phasing out of copper

On 14-12-02 21:16, Owen DeLong wrote: > Depends on your desired outcome and goals. However… Context: Canadian incumbents deny to the regulator that they have intentions to turn off copper. (but to shareholders, openly say they will shut it donw, howveer, they plan only to shutdown active equipment

Re: Phasing out of copper

Depends on your desired outcome and goals. However… I would think that rather than trying to convince regulators that you know better than the incumbents what they intend to do, it makes more sense to explain to regulators why maintaining copper once sufficient FTTP adoption is complete is fool

Re: Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper)

Subject: Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper) Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:09:40AM -0500 Quoting Jay Ashworth (j...@baylink.com): > - Original Message - > > From: "Måns Nilsson" > > > Maintaining copper plant is expensive. I

Re: Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper)

On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Jay Ashworth wrote: Oh, sure. But my point is this: How many Erlangs can you fit through that clear-channel T-3? Personally I find the use of Erlangs in a packet-switched environment somewhat irrelevant. What has been more useful me in capacity planning and staying ou

Re: Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper)

- Original Message - > From: "Nathan Anderson" kbones (was: Phasing out of copper) > On Saturday, November 29, 2014 9:10 PM, Jay Ashworth <> wrote: > > But let us not conflate being ok with telcos replacing analog copper > > last-mile with being ok w

RE: Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper)

On Saturday, November 29, 2014 9:10 PM, Jay Ashworth <> wrote: > But let us not conflate being ok with telcos replacing analog copper > last-mile with being ok with telcos replacing PCM with VoIP, especially > in trunking applications, ... [snip] Let's also not conflate audio codecs with L2. "PC

Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper)

- Original Message - > From: "Måns Nilsson" > Maintaining copper plant is expensive. It will be retired as soon as > buy-in on FTTH is high enough. Telia Sonera is doing it in Sweden, > so the trend is global. (OTOH, in Sweden, young people moving out from > their parents, if they can fin

Re: Phasing out of copper

On 2014-11-30 9:19 am, Måns Nilsson wrote: Maintaining copper plant is expensive. It will be retired as soon as buy-in on FTTH is high enough. Telia Sonera is doing it in Sweden, so the trend is global. (OTOH, in Sweden, young people moving out from their parents, if they can find somewhere to re

Re: Phasing out of copper

Subject: Phasing out of copper Date: Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:46:03AM -0500 Quoting Jean-Francois Mezei (jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca): > Currently in the midst of a CRTC policy hearing in Canada on future of > competition in ISPs. > > Incumbents claim they have no plans to retire

Re: Phasing out of copper

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:46:03 -0500 Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > For my reply I am trying to get more authoritative info to show that > incumbents do have plans to retire the copper plant once enough > customers have migrated to FTTP ( I heard that 80% migration is the > tip-ver where they convert

Re: Phasing out of copper

- Original Message - > From: "Chuck Anderson" > Verizon in MA removes copper upon FiOS installation. They do, and that's caused problems for some people who had competitive DSL on their Verizontal copper POTS: They've had FiOS installed, and had the DSL circuit mysteriously quit, only to

Re: Phasing out of copper

Verizon in MA removes copper upon FiOS installation. My dad cancels his phone service every year when he migrates south for the winter. Upon returning home a few years ago, he requested reactivation of his phone line. Verizon refused to activate the copper, instead switching him to FiOS Voice.

Re: Phasing out of copper

Have some of the events around this topic going on in the US been brought up? I'm thinking specifically of things like NY/NJ, post-Sandy plans to just not replace copper and switch people to wireless or fiber instead, letting copper deployments in existing markets degrade and pushing people to

Phasing out of copper

Currently in the midst of a CRTC policy hearing in Canada on future of competition in ISPs. Incumbents claim they have no plans to retire their copper plant after deploying FTTP/FTTH. (strategically to convince regulator that keeping ISPs on copper is fine and no need to let them access FTTP). F