I realize there has been some call to end this thread but if I may add
a little history...
On December 5, 2017 at 06:49 l...@satchell.net (Stephen Satchell) wrote:
> Indeed. What Ajit Pai missed in his deliberations for the Dec 14 FCC
> vote is that the Internet as we know it was developed un
People die all the time in our profession. Loss of job due to major failure…
self inflicted suicide or even homicide by disgruntled employee due to others
negligent actions and laziness. It only amplifies and is less reported these
days that in the dot.com boom era. But the higher the classifica
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have yet
to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up. (Other
than dropping something heavy onto someone, using a fork lift
incompetently, or building an
All industries have risks associated.
In our Sysadmin context - Though I have not heard of any yet - a case
scenario of telesurgery/remote surgery.
In the midst of this operation - a misconfiguration by either a
netadmin(bgp) or sysadmin(dns) resulting into downtime cutting off
communication = ca
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
> What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have yet
> to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up. (Other
> than dropping something heavy onto someone, using a fork lift
> incompetently, or buildin
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 02:18:07PM -0500, Harald Koch wrote:
> On 6 December 2017 at 13:51, Stephen Satchell wrote:
>
> > What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have yet
> > to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up.
> >
>
> Oh c'mon. Now you're be
On 6 December 2017 at 13:51, Stephen Satchell wrote:
> What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have yet
> to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up.
>
Oh c'mon. Now you're being deliberately obtuse.
I work IT for a hospital. Everything I do has the
In a message written on Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 10:51:32AM -0800, Stephen Satchell
wrote:
> What professional engineers you mentioned do can kill people. I have
> yet to hear of anyone dying from a sysadmin or netadmin screwing up.
> (Other than dropping something heavy onto someone, using a fork
On 12/06/2017 09:27 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 12/6/17 09:16, Nate Metheny wrote:
I've always been more than willing to share knowledge and skill training
with those who show interest and talent; the more qualified and
interested
people involved, the better, in my opinion. Making the club
"ex
On 12/06/2017 09:27 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 12/6/17 09:16, Nate Metheny wrote:
I've always been more than willing to share knowledge and skill training
with those who show interest and talent; the more qualified and
interested
people involved, the better, in my opinion. Making the club
"ex
On 12/6/17 09:16, Nate Metheny wrote:
I've always been more than willing to share knowledge and skill training
with those who show interest and talent; the more qualified and interested
people involved, the better, in my opinion. Making the club "exclusive" by
requiring thousands of dollars of tr
The day the secret service and the FBI showed up asking me for a network
audit due to suspicious traffic I realized that I need to take abuse@
seriously.
"I'm only the network administrator" didn't go over well.
I've always been more than willing to share knowledge and skill training
with those w
I disagree that nobody cares about abuse.
I actually received an abuse report from SES as someone thought it would
be funny to flag my previous email I sent to this discussion as spam.
https://i.imgur.com/RgQa2fN.png
--
Filip Hruska
Linux System Administrator
Dne 12/6/17 v 11:52 Rich Kulawie
On Wednesday, 6 December, 2017 03:53, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:54:21AM -0700, Grant Taylor via NANOG
>wrote:
>> If you are trying, make an honest mistake, and are willing to
>> correct it when others politely let you know, you will quite
>> likely find people willing to h
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:54:21AM -0700, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
> The vast majority of what I've experienced in the last ~20 years has been
> people willing to help others who are trying to help themselves.
"Help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it."
> If you are tryi
--- b...@herrin.us wrote:
From: William Herrin
Even the relatively good ones are bad. I have identified
60 and am on track to identify about 200 errors in the
official ISC2 CISSP study guide.
-
One last one I promise... :-)
I also have to maintain a
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
> Have you seen neteng certs lately? I'm forced to maintain a
> lower level one to keep my job and it makes me angry every
> time I have to do it. The sales pitch is hidden in the words
> and the correct answer is almost always something that ha
--- l...@satchell.net wrote:
From: Stephen Satchell
Indeed, I'm not aware of any certification that applies to system
administrators. Network administrators have certs that are
well-recognized and accepted. Mail admins? Server admins? The certs
that are out there border on jokes or disgui
Should have an honorary list of great sysadmins. In my years of doing
this sort of work, I found a number of folks that would lend a helping
hand. To that, I would like to nominate:
Strata Rose Chalup
--
Strata Rose Chalup began as a novice sysadmin in 1983 and has been
leading a
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
> the Internet as we know it was developed under the stern eyes of the
> Department of Defense and the National Science Foundation. The NSF in
> particular ran the 'Net like bouncers do in a strip club: you break the
> rules, you go. No ar
And then, let's not forget the BOFH! (http://www.bofharchive.com), and
Mordac.
On 12/5/17 11:40 AM, Sam Oduor wrote:
Subject of interest; my 15 years experience I met a blend of senior admins
while learning the curves ..
1. Those who denied you knowledge/handover due to insecurity
2. Tho
Subject of interest; my 15 years experience I met a blend of senior admins
while learning the curves ..
1. Those who denied you knowledge/handover due to insecurity
2. Those who fed you with knowledge but were rude and could make you feel
like you undergoing some military training
3. Those w
Umm.. back in the day, only researchers & engineers used the ARPANET,
and secretaries, and administrators, and very quickly lots of military
ratings, ... By the time networks were connected to form the Internet,
and particularly once university LANs and CANs were connected, you had
students, ha
Back in the day, only Ph.D's used the internet, so they were the sysadmins.
These days, I recommend that system administration be only allowed for
card-holding responsible people who have proven their technical abilities.
Then, when you get awarded your Ph.D, they can take your sysadmin card back.
On 12/05/2017 09:17 AM, Harald Koch wrote:
Thirty years ago I started my sysadmin journey on an Internet that was
filled with helpful, experienced people that were willing to share their
knowledge.
The vast majority of what I've experienced in the last ~20 years has
been people willing to hel
In a message written on Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 06:49:43AM -0800, Stephen Satchell
wrote:
> The NSF in particular ran the 'Net like bouncers do in a strip club:
> you break the rules, you go. No argument.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a more inaccurate description of the NSF.
What in the world are y
with three connections to the NSFnet. I
don't remember this world of banishment and exile you're discussing; the
NSFnet staff I dealt with were all friendly and helpful.
I plan to continue to "pay it forward", by being friendly and helpful
to "novice sysadmins". The
x27;t remember this world of banishment and exile you're discussing; the
NSFnet staff I dealt with were all friendly and helpful.
I plan to continue to "pay it forward", by being friendly and helpful
to "novice sysadmins". The curmudgeons in this thread can, frankly, get off
my lawn.
--
Harald
On 12/05/2017 02:59 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 07:38:18PM -0500, Eric Tykwinski wrote:
Main point I think is mailops comes with a learning curve, and it happens...
"Current Peeve: The mindset that the Internet is some sort of
school for novice sysa
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