Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-21 Thread Randy Bush
>>> I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much >>> effect >> what shutdown of egyptian domain names? >> randy, who has a server which serves them > there's an interesting point to be made about the geographic > administrative and political distribution of secondaries being >

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 2/16/11 5:37 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much >> effect > > what shutdown of egyptian domain names? > > randy, who has a server which serves them there's an interesting point to be made about the geographic administrative and political

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Michael Dillon
> No the BGP and the physical links were down. What about non-Internet layer 2 links? A number of companies have private IP networks extending into Egypt providing MPLS or other VPN services. In addition, there are often longlines into the Gulf states to provide the Egyptian sites with redundancy.

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Randy Bush" > To: "Fred Baker" > Cc: "Franck Martin" , "North American Network Operators > Group" > Sent: Thursday, 17 February, 2011 2:37:02 PM > Subject: Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egy

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Randy Bush
> I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much > effect what shutdown of egyptian domain names? randy, who has a server which serves them

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Mounir Mohamed
Yes all sessions were operational during that period. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:17 AM, Martin Millnert wrote: > Mounir, > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Mounir Mohamed > wrote: > > No the BGP and the physical links were down. > > did you have any domestic BGP sessions up? > > Regards, > Mar

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Millnert
Mounir, On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Mounir Mohamed wrote: > No the BGP and the physical links were down. did you have any domestic BGP sessions up? Regards, Martin

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Mounir Mohamed
No the BGP and the physical links were down. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > It also seems like a question that could be decided empirically. Can > anyone on here comment on whether or not the BGP session ended > gracefully and the link lights remained lit? > > --Richar

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Fred Baker
ah On Feb 16, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Steven Bellovin wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2011, at 4:25 13PM, Fred Baker wrote: > >> I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much effect; >> that's why the bgp prefixes were withdrawn. What was effective was the >> withdrawal of BGP prefixes. >

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Feb 16, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Steven Bellovin wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2011, at 4:25 13PM, Fred Baker wrote: > >> I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much effect; >> that's why the bgp prefixes were withdrawn. What was effective was the >> withdrawal of BGP prefixes. > >

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 2/16/11 6:10 PM, Steven Bellovin wrote: On Feb 16, 2011, at 4:25 13PM, Fred Baker wrote: I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much effect; that's why the bgp prefixes were withdrawn. What was effective was the withdrawal of BGP prefixes. Per the NYT article, the

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Feb 16, 2011, at 4:25 13PM, Fred Baker wrote: > I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much effect; > that's why the bgp prefixes were withdrawn. What was effective was the > withdrawal of BGP prefixes. Per the NYT article, the issue was the Egyptian "Intranet" -- peop

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Richard Barnes
Never mind, Messrs. Cowie and Baker answered my question: Couldn't have paths through Egypt if layer 2 were cut off. (Right?) --Richard On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > It also seems like a question

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Richard Barnes
It also seems like a question that could be decided empirically. Can anyone on here comment on whether or not the BGP session ended gracefully and the link lights remained lit? --Richard On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Joly MacFie wro

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 2/16/11 4:25 PM, Fred Baker wrote: I don't think that the Egyptian shutdown of domain names had much effect ... ditto. i'm not aware of any actions by the .eg registry operator, though i'll ask, coincidental to the prefix withdrawal. i suppose in the interests of completeness i should al

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Fred Baker
6, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Franck Martin wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> From: "Martin Millnert" >> To: "Marshall Eubanks" >> Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" >> Sent: Thursday, 17 February, 2011 8:28:22 AM >&

Re: Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/16/2011 11:50, Franck Martin wrote: - Original Message - From: "Martin Millnert" To: "Marshall Eubanks" Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" Sent: Thursday, 17 February, 2011 8:28:22 AM Subject: Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Swit

Local root zone (Was NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet)

2011-02-16 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - > From: "Martin Millnert" > To: "Marshall Eubanks" > Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" > Sent: Thursday, 17 February, 2011 8:28:22 AM > Subject: Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Interne

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Millnert
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/technology/16internet.html >> >> There has been intense debate both inside and outside Egypt on whether the >>> cutoff at 26 Ramses Street was accomp

Re: NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-16 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/technology/16internet.html > > There has been intense debate both inside and outside Egypt on whether the >> cutoff at 26 Ramses Street was accomplished by surgically tampering with the >> software mechanism tha

NYTimes: Egypt Leaders Found ‘Off’ Switch for Internet

2011-02-15 Thread Joly MacFie
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/technology/16internet.html There has been intense debate both inside and outside Egypt on whether the > cutoff at 26 Ramses Street was accomplished by surgically tampering with the > software mechanism that defines how networks at the core of the Internet > commun