Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread David Miller
On 2/20/2014 7:05 PM, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote: > Hello Harlen , > > On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Harlan Stenn wrote: >> Folks, >> I just posted http://nwtime.org/ntp-winter-2013-network-drdos-attacks/ . > wget http://nwtime.org/ntp-winter-2013-network-drdos-attacks/ > --2014-02-20 15:03:13

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Jared Mauch
I was seeing database connect errors earlier. I suspect the host resources are limited. Jared Mauch > On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:05 PM, "Mr. James W. Laferriere" > wrote: > >Hello Harlen , > >> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Harlan Stenn wrote: >> Folks, >> I just posted http://nwtime.org/ntp-winter-2

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Harlen , On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Harlan Stenn wrote: Folks, I just posted http://nwtime.org/ntp-winter-2013-network-drdos-attacks/ . wget http://nwtime.org/ntp-winter-2013-network-drdos-attacks/ --2014-02-20 15:03:13-- http://nwtime.org/ntp-winter-2013-network-drdos-attacks/

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:51 AM, John wrote: > I know how much Gibson is hated in some circles, He isn't/wasn't part of the operational community. It sure looks like you're right, he coined it then - as a marketing term, for marketing himself, heh. Maybe that's one of the reasons it's so disli

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Dan Shoop
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Brian Rak wrote: > >> That's not a new term. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDOS >> DRDoS, a type of network attack named Distributed Reflection Denial of >> Service. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Reflect

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread John
On 2/20/2014 11:43 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: Actually, it's much more recent than that (in this context; as others have mentioned, DR-DOS was the acronym for Digital Research's MS-DOS clone). I didn't just pluck that 12y term out of the air. I know how much Gibson is hated in some circles, b

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:37 AM, John wrote: > This is not a new term (certainly >12yo) Actually, it's much more recent than that (in this context; as others have mentioned, DR-DOS was the acronym for Digital Research's MS-DOS clone). But I'm going to stop posting about this, now, as Jared sugge

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread John
On 2/20/2014 9:17 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: I'll split the difference, folks in operational security dislike the term as they feel it's inaccurate. They tend to think it's marketing vs operational related. Reflection attacks are considered a sub-type of DoS/DDoS and do not require a new term. I

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Roland Dobbins" > On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Niels Bakker > wrote: > > > Don't invent new terms like DrDos. > > +1 What? Digital Research's MS-DOS clone is attacking things? Cheers, -- jr ':-)' a -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:29 PM, wrote: > Yes, it was also used here > https://www.sans.org/reading-room/whitepapers/intrusion/summary-dos-ddos-prevention-monitoring-mitigation-techniques-service-provider-enviro-1212 That's still meaningless. The term of art is 'reflection/amplification attac

RE: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread antoine.meillet
: jeudi 20 février 2014 17:24 À : nanog@nanog.org Objet : Re: NTP DRDos Blog post That's not a new term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDOS DRDoS, a type of network attack named Distributed Reflection Denial of Service. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Reflection_Denial_of_Ser

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Jared Mauch
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: > > On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Brian Rak wrote: > >> That's not a new term. > > It isn't used by folks involved in operational security. It's a marketing > term. > I'll split the difference, folks in operational security dislike the

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread deleskie

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014, Brian Rak wrote: That's not a new term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDOS DRDoS, a type of network attack named Distributed Reflection Denial of Service. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Reflection_Denial_of_Service#Reflected_.2F_Spoofed_attack Or Digital Resea

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Brian Rak wrote: > That's not a new term. It isn't used by folks involved in operational security. It's a marketing term. --- Roland Dobbins // Luck is

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Brian Rak
That's not a new term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDOS DRDoS, a type of network attack named Distributed Reflection Denial of Service. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Reflection_Denial_of_Service#Reflected_.2F_Spoofed_attack On 2/20/2014 11:14 AM, Niels Bakker wrote: * st...@ntp.o

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: > Don't invent new terms like DrDos. +1 --- Roland Dobbins // Luck is the residue of opportunity and design.

Re: NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-20 Thread Niels Bakker
* st...@ntp.org (Harlan Stenn) [Thu 20 Feb 2014, 00:38 CET]: I'd love to hear any feedback about the post. Don't invent new terms like DrDos. -- Niels.

NTP DRDos Blog post

2014-02-19 Thread Harlan Stenn
Folks, I just posted http://nwtime.org/ntp-winter-2013-network-drdos-attacks/ . In general we've never allowed comments to blog posts on that site; we're currently discussing if we should allow them for this post. I'd love to hear any feedback about the post. Thanks... -- Harlan Stenn http:/