RE: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering

2013-06-24 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
-Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:32 PM To: Adam Vitkovsky Cc: 'John van Oppen'; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering >>> route reflectors should be in the data plane,

Re: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering

2013-06-24 Thread Randy Bush
>> route reflectors should be in the data plane, ... > I believe in modern networks data-plane and control-plane(s) should be > separated as it provides for great scalability and versatility the > drawback of course is a more complex system to manage. more complex systems scale poorly, break easil

RE: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering

2013-06-24 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
> route reflectors should be in the data plane, ... I believe in modern networks data-plane and control-plane(s) should be separated as it provides for great scalability and versatility the drawback of course is a more complex system to manage. adam

RE: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering

2013-06-17 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
-Original Message- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:37 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering On Jun 17, 2013, at 00:36 , "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote: >First, inside your own networ

Re: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering

2013-06-17 Thread Randy Bush
> Perhaps I am missing something from your advantage list, but why would > you want to exchange routing information with a network to which you > don't have a connection due to a local failure? I think you are > attempting to abstract routing from the underlying physical > infrastructure a bit too

Re: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering

2013-06-16 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jun 17, 2013, at 00:36 , "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote: >> Any idea why more companies don't offer eBGP peering / multi hop >> peering? Its very common for providers to offer single or double hop >> peering, so why not 5 or 10 hops? In many cases people find it logical >> to perform single or d

RE: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering

2013-06-16 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
-Original Message- From: Michael McConnell [mailto:mich...@winkstreaming.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:40 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering >Any idea why more companies don't offer eBGP peering / multi hop peering? Its very co

RE: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering

2013-06-16 Thread John van Oppen
pop outage, circuit outage, etc). John -Original Message- From: Michael McConnell [mailto:mich...@winkstreaming.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:40 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering Hello all, Any idea why more companies don&#x

Multihop eBGP peering or VPN based eBGP peering

2013-06-16 Thread Michael McConnell
Hello all, Any idea why more companies don't offer eBGP peering / multi hop peering? Its very common for providers to offer single or double hop peering, so why not 5 or 10 hops? In many cases people find it logical to perform single or double hop peering, why is peering any greater always frow