On 2/25/09, Jim Willis wrote:
> After having a brief conversation with a friend of mine over the weekend
> about this new proposed legislation I was horrified to find that I could not
> dig anything up on it in NANOG. Surely this sort of short minded legislation
> should have been a bit more thoug
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:06:13 -0800
Fred Baker wrote:
> Data retention is discussed in section 5:
>
> > SEC. 5. RETENTION OF RECORDS BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE
> > PROVIDERS.
> > Section 2703 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding
> > at the end the following:
> > ‘(h
ha, funny you should say that; do a quick search for "plain language
of the statute" and let me know how many dissenting views in court
opinions you find.
Big fallacy to say that even though it's 'plain English' it means
*one* thing...
This is a big tangled web of statutory and common law
I am not a lawyer; I am a person that can read something that is
written in the English language, and considered by some to be a
"reasonable man". So please don't consider this to be legal advice.
Also, although I am posting from a Cisco account, this note represents
my understanding based
I agree - Although this isn't legal advice and I'm not a lawyer:
It amends 18 U.S.C. §2703 which is entitled "Required Disclosure of
Customer Communications or Records" which refers to providers, not
home users...
Better question:
1) Is there a reasonable expectation of privacy in the commu
Sorry to intrude, but it is based on the reading of the law and at least
according to ars technica's article (
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/02/are-you-an-electronic-communication-service-provider.ars)
that excludes home routers. That's not to say it couldn't be reinterpreted
in the
If it's at all like the EU Date Retention provisions, it would be in
the ISP, not the home router. The Danish want the moral equivalent of
a netflow trace for each user (log of the kind of information netflow
records for a session for each TCP/UDP/SCTP session the user initiates
or terminat
Hi Jim,
Avoiding the politics of this issue, I suspect that many more home users
will be affected than corporate or backbone admins. I already log all
access to my wireless, though currently I don't keep outgoing access logs
for that long. I suspect that if this were to become law, the logging
me
Another issue is civil rights. Do we want to create a surveillance society? It
has already happened to a large extent in the UK and the US, but this is
significant step forward ...
I'll leave it at that since I am writing on corporate email and I do not
represent my company on this issue.
Reg
After having a brief conversation with a friend of mine over the weekend
about this new proposed legislation I was horrified to find that I could not
dig anything up on it in NANOG. Surely this sort of short minded legislation
should have been a bit more thought through in its effects on those that
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