Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-08 Thread Curtis Maurand
On 2/8/2011 7:58 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: It doesn't have to be a public network to need globally unique addresses. There is NO policy requirement to use NAT or RFC-1918 for private networks. Just a suggestion that folks be considerate of the community where they can. I'll bet most of them woul

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-08 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 8, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Curtis Maurand wrote: > > >> Touché! That could theoretically happen. I think Apple should buy HPQDEC >> just so they can announce 16/7 :-) >> >> None of the RIR blocks are going to be routed that way on purpose, though :-) >> >> -Randy >> >> > I agree. Many o

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-08 Thread Curtis Maurand
Touché! That could theoretically happen. I think Apple should buy HPQDEC just so they can announce 16/7 :-) None of the RIR blocks are going to be routed that way on purpose, though :-) -Randy I agree. Many of those corporations would have a hard time justifying an entire /8, even IBM.

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-03 Thread Randy Carpenter
- Original Message - > My guesses as to who gets what: > > 102/8 - APNIC > 103/8 - LACNIC > 104/8 - AfriNIC > 179/8 - RIPE NCC > 185/8 - ARIN > I couldn't have been more wrong :-) I guess alphabetical order won rather than neighboring blocks :-) -Randy

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-02 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 2 feb 2011, at 0:39, Randy Carpenter wrote: >>> That's how I would do it. With the exception of LACNIC, each one >>> neighbors a block that is already allocated to that RIR. >> But if they wanted to do that, why give 106/8 to APNIC? > I assume you mean 102/8 No, I was talking about monday's

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread David Conrad
On Feb 1, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > My suspicion is that IANA is playing a game of battleship with the RIRs and > thursday we'll see who's won. Colored in for your convenience: IANA instituted a variation of RFC 2777 some time ago to do /8 allocations to the RIRs. I'd be

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > Randy Carpenter wrote: >> Touché! That could theoretically happen. I think Apple should buy HPQDEC >> just so they can announce 16/7 :-) > > Nah, one should buy the other just so they can hand over a /7 to APNIC. > Neither of them could do

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Benson Schliesser wrote: On Feb 1, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Nah, one should buy the other just so they can hand over a /7 to APNIC. How would they justify that to their shareholders? Free advertising, increased goodwill? ;-) -- http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ htt

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 1, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Leen Besselink wrote: > >> Doesn't really matter who gets what, because no one is going to route >> anything larger than a /8 anyway, particularly the RIR allocations. Just >> kinda fun to think about :-) >> >> -Randy >> >> > How about when HP/Compay/DEC buys Ap

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 1, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > Randy Carpenter wrote: >> Touché! That could theoretically happen. I think Apple should buy HPQDEC >> just so they can announce 16/7 :-) > > Nah, one should buy the other just so they can hand over a /7 to APNIC. How would they justify tha

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Randy Carpenter wrote: Touché! That could theoretically happen. I think Apple should buy HPQDEC just so they can announce 16/7 :-) Nah, one should buy the other just so they can hand over a /7 to APNIC. -- http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Carpenter
- Original Message - > > Doesn't really matter who gets what, because no one is going to > > route anything larger than a /8 anyway, particularly the RIR > > allocations. Just kinda fun to think about :-) > > > > -Randy > > > > > How about when HP/Compay/DEC buys Apple or the other way arou

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Leen Besselink
> Doesn't really matter who gets what, because no one is going to route > anything larger than a /8 anyway, particularly the RIR allocations. Just > kinda fun to think about :-) > > -Randy > > How about when HP/Compay/DEC buys Apple or the other way around ? ;-) They could do so in theory anyw

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Carpenter
- Original Message - > > Doesn't really matter who gets what > > but conjecturebation is a key role of this mailing list I literally LOLed at that. That single word more succinctly describes a concept than most I have seen. > > because no one is going to route anything larger than a /8

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Bush
> Doesn't really matter who gets what but conjecturebation is a key role of this mailing list > because no one is going to route anything larger than a /8 anyway, i have seen /7s routed. some folk on this list will remember an exciting day back in about 2000. randy

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Carpenter
- Original Message - > On 1 feb 2011, at 23:33, Randy Carpenter wrote: > > > That's how I would do it. With the exception of LACNIC, each one > > neighbors a block that is already allocated to that RIR. > > But if they wanted to do that, why give 106/8 to APNIC? I assume you mean 102/8,

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 1 feb 2011, at 23:33, Randy Carpenter wrote: > That's how I would do it. With the exception of LACNIC, each one neighbors a > block that is already allocated to that RIR. But if they wanted to do that, why give 106/8 to APNIC? My suspicion is that IANA is playing a game of battleship with th

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Carpenter
My guesses as to who gets what: 102/8 - APNIC 103/8 - LACNIC 104/8 - AfriNIC 179/8 - RIPE NCC 185/8 - ARIN That's how I would do it. With the exception of LACNIC, each one neighbors a block that is already allocated to that RIR. And in the case of AfriNIC, RIPC, and ARIN, they would make an agg

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Brian Christopher Raaen wrote: > >> On Tuesday, February 01, 2011 01:41:21 pm Rodrick Brown wrote: >>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 4. >> >>

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 1, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Brian Christopher Raaen wrote: > On Tuesday, February 01, 2011 01:41:21 pm Rodrick Brown wrote: >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4. > > Not quite, I still show 102/8, 103/8, 104/8, 179/8, and 185/

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Brian Christopher Raaen wrote: > On Tuesday, February 01, 2011 01:41:21 pm Rodrick Brown wrote: >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4. > > Not quite, I still show 102/8, 103/8, 104/8, 179/8, and 185/

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Brian Christopher Raaen wrote: > > Not quite, I still show 102/8, 103/8, 104/8, 179/8, and 185/8 as > "UNALLOCATED". I don't know when the hand out the last 5 /8's policy takes > affect, but they haven't handed them out yet. I expect it'll happen on Thursday. http://www.nro.ne

RE: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Justin Horstman
> -Original Message- > From: Brian Christopher Raaen [mailto:na...@rhemasound.org] > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:49 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated > > On Tuesday, February 01, 2011 01:41:21 pm Rodrick Brown wrot

Re: Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Brian Christopher Raaen
On Tuesday, February 01, 2011 01:41:21 pm Rodrick Brown wrote: > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml > > Sent from my iPhone 4. Not quite, I still show 102/8, 103/8, 104/8, 179/8, and 185/8 as "UNALLOCATED". I don't know when the hand out the last 5 /8's po

Last of ipv4 /8's allocated

2011-02-01 Thread Rodrick Brown
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml Sent from my iPhone 4.