On
Behalf Of Etienne-Victor Depasquale via NANOG
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:19 PM
To: Chris Wright
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: IoT - The end of the internet
because our lizard brains have a hard time comprehending exponential growth
Don't forget how we pontificate on how well we unde
On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:38 PM William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 3:29 PM Christopher Wolff
> wrote:
> > Will tomorrow’s applications require a re-thinking of “The Internet” and
> > protocols that are low latency compliant?
>
> No, because speed of light constraints will continue
> On Aug 10, 2022, at 15:51 , Mel Beckman wrote:
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> Christopher,
>
> What you’re really observing here is that today's technology does not yet
> enable these your chosen use cases. It may someday, but not today, not for
> any amount of money. 1990s modem technology didn’t enable streaming
> On Aug 10, 2022, at 15:29 , Christopher Wolff wrote:
>
> Hi NANOG;
>
> I appreciate all the thoughtful replies and I apologize for vague posting
> when I should be sleeping.
>
> Let me paint a little more context and hopefully this will help inform the
> conversation.
>
> Use Case 1: Au
On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 3:29 PM Christopher Wolff
wrote:
> Use Case 1: Augmented Reality/Virtual Reality. It is stated that round trip
> latency must be <4ms with 100mbit full duplex at the cell edge to prevent
> nausea and dizziness while wearing goggles for a long term.
Hi Christopher,
Not
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 20:06 , Mel Beckman wrote:
>
> LOL! You’re not the first person to underestimate the resilience of the
> Internet:
>
> “There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.” – Ken Olsen,
> CEO of Digital Equipment Corporation (now defunct), 1977
Technically no
Break, probably not… Require IPv6 eventually? Probably.
Owen
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 19:22 , Christopher Wolff wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Has anyone proposed that the adoption of billions of IoT devices will
> ultimately ‘break’ the Internet?
>
> It’s not a rhetorical question I promise, just
Unless you are running in a very slow and resource constrained piece of
hardware, most of the latency comes from the link layer, not from the protocol
stack.
If your concern is delay and disruption, check out DTN (Delay/Disruption
Tolerant Networking,) and Bundle Protocol, we have a WG in IETF
On 8/9/22 10:40 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
Possibly interesting:
This kind of idea came up w/in ICANN when they were first considering
the idea of adding 1000+ new generic and internationalized TLDs. Will
it cause a melt down?
Money was allocated, studies and simulations were done, reports w
Christopher,
What you’re really observing here is that today's technology does not yet
enable these your chosen use cases. It may someday, but not today, not for any
amount of money. 1990s modem technology didn’t enable streaming video either,
but add 20 years of advancement, and today you can
On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 3:30 PM Christopher Wolff
wrote:
> Hi NANOG;
>
> I appreciate all the thoughtful replies and I apologize for vague posting
> when I should be sleeping.
>
> Let me paint a little more context and hopefully this will help inform the
> conversation.
>
> Use Case 1: Augmented
Hi NANOG;
I appreciate all the thoughtful replies and I apologize for vague posting when
I should be sleeping.
Let me paint a little more context and hopefully this will help inform the
conversation.
Use Case 1: Augmented Reality/Virtual Reality. It is stated that round trip
latency must be
It's not devices. It's software and what's worse protocol specifications
that are implemented in this software.
And we still didn't get the memo in 2022. Some colleagues think that having
builtin 5x Amplification in protocols freshly out just this year "is OK".
Cyberhippies
On Wed, Aug
; Battery-EV soapbox. :D
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *From:* NANOG *On
> Behalf Of *Tom Beecher
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:25 AM
> *To:* Christopher Wolff
> *Cc:* NANOG
> *Subject:* Re: IoT - The end of the internet
>
>
>
> It always amazes me how a
new at eleven
soapbox. :D
Chris
From: NANOG On
Behalf Of Tom Beecher
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:25 AM
To: Christopher Wolff
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: IoT - The end of the internet
It always amazes me how an industry that has , since its inception, been
constantly solving new problems to make things work
It always amazes me how an industry that has , since its inception, been
constantly solving new problems to make things work, always finds a way to
assume the next problem will be unsolvable.
On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:23 PM Christopher Wolff
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Has anyone proposed that the ad
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 12:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
wrote:
Hey,
> I do not share that view:
I'm not sure how you read my view. I was not attempting to communicate
anything negative of IPv6. What I attempted to communicate
- near future looks to improve IOT security posture significantly,
age-
> From: Saku Ytti
> Sent: mercredi 10 août 2022 7:14
> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> Cc: Mel Beckman ; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: IoT - The end of the internet
>
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 07:54, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) via NANOG
> wrote:
>
> > On a mor
nice one.
"There is no prophet in his own motherland"
On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 6:21 AM Fred Baker wrote:
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:06 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
> >
> > Robert Metcalfe, InfoWorld columnist and the inventor of Ethernet, also
> in 1995:
> > “I predict the Internet will soon go spe
Recommended reading …
https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/mckinsey-digital/our-insights/iot-value-set-to-accelerate-through-2030-where-and-how-to-capture-it
-Jorge
Possibly interesting:
This kind of idea came up w/in ICANN when they were first considering
the idea of adding 1000+ new generic and internationalized TLDs. Will
it cause a melt down?
Money was allocated, studies and simulations were done, reports were
tendered.
The conclusion was: Not likely
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 07:54, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) via NANOG
wrote:
> On a more positive note, the IPv6 IoT can be seen as an experiment on how we
> can scale the internet another order of magnitude or 2 without taking the
> power or the spectrum consumption to the parallel levels.
I thin
On a more positive note, the IPv6 IoT can be seen as an experiment on how we
can scale the internet another order of magnitude or 2 without taking the power
or the spectrum consumption to the parallel levels.
For that we turned protocols like ND and MLD from broadcast pull to unicast
push in a
ROTFL!
Yes, every time I’ve run into Bob at a conference he always introduces himself
this way: “I’m Bob Metcalfe, the inventor of Ethernet.”
-mel
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:20 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:06 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
>>
>> Robert Metcalfe, InfoWorld colu
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:06 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
>
> Robert Metcalfe, InfoWorld columnist and the inventor of Ethernet, also in
> 1995:
> “I predict the Internet will soon go spectacularly supernova and in 1996
> catastrophically collapse.”
In 1998 I invited Mr Metcalfe to address the IETF
On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 7:23 PM Christopher Wolff
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Has anyone proposed that the adoption of billions of IoT devices will
> ultimately ‘break’ the Internet?
>
> It’s not a rhetorical question I promise, just looking for a journal or
> other scholarly article that implies that
LOL! You’re not the first person to underestimate the resilience of the
Internet:
“There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.” – Ken Olsen,
CEO of Digital Equipment Corporation (now defunct), 1977
"I see little commercial potential for the internet for the next 10 years,"
Hi folks,
Has anyone proposed that the adoption of billions of IoT devices will
ultimately ‘break’ the Internet?
It’s not a rhetorical question I promise, just looking for a journal or other
scholarly article that implies that the Internet is doomed.
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