RE: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-28 Thread John van Oppen
I've always been a little less harsh than What Jared mentions, but my theory is like within say 5-7 ms is probably reasonable as long as the endpoint is closer than the next major IX both are present on. I don't really know what folks think they are getting by peering across the world. I t

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-23 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I don't think any of us really understand what you're hoping to find. I sure don't.I think that this might be a result of a disconnect between your understanding of how these should be monitored and how they are monitored. Specifically, of your two statements below, one is true and one is fa

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-22 Thread Matthew Petach
*facepalm* You asked for a cost-free, publicly visible and available tool. The lack of such does *not* mean tools don't exist. It just means you won't find them available for free to the general public. Asking if X exists and being told 'no' does not say anything about whether Y exists or not.

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-22 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Aug 22, 2023, at 10:39, Thomas Beer wrote: > to make an (intermediate) summary so far, it's 2023 and there are no tools > available > for BGP, ASN and IX interconnection visualization static or dynamic?! No, that is not at all correct. People have tools that solve their actual needs. Do

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-22 Thread Thomas Beer
Hi All! to make an (intermediate) summary so far, it's 2023 and there are no tools available for BGP, ASN and IX interconnection visualization static or dynamic?! Nobody has a top-level understanding / awareness of the infrastructure topology and fixes "bottlenecks", route misconfiguration et al.

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread Dave Taht
I hear the cybergeography project is making a comeback. https://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/m.dodge/cybergeography/atlas/atlas.html On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 5:17 PM Matthew Petach wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 11:06 PM Thomas Beer wrote: >> >> Hi Matt, >> >>> >>> You might mean

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 11:06 PM Thomas Beer wrote: > Hi Matt, > > >> You might mean "exchange inter-connections" as "how are the different >> internet exchanges connected to each other?" >> in which case the answer is generally "through the Internet". ^_^; >> > > I meant ix internet exchange pa

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread Delron Troy
Yep seen this. Awful bollo&ks. On Tue, 15 Aug 2023, 20:30 Randy Bush, wrote: > > You might instead be thinking of "how are different participants in a > > single internet exchange cross-connected to each other?" -- in which > > case the answer is "through in-building wiring that often even the

Fwd: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread Delron Troy
-- Forwarded message - From: Delron Troy Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023, 18:43 Subject: Re: Internet Exchange Visualization To: Ideally I think you need to go right back and study BGP. Looking glasses etc will show you everything you need to know combined with the other tools if you

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread Bradley Huffaker
> On Aug 21, 2023, at 8:32 AM, heasley wrote: > > Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 08:06:11AM +0200, Thomas Beer: >> >> I meant ix internet exchange path visualization and an online tool to take >> a look at it in (near) real time! We currently do not have any near real time path visualizations. If you

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread heasley
Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 08:06:11AM +0200, Thomas Beer: > Hi Matt, > > > > You might mean "exchange inter-connections" as "how are the different > > internet exchanges connected to each other?" > > in which case the answer is generally "through the Internet". ^_^; > > > > I meant ix internet exchan

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Aug 15, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> actually, i am amazed by the extent of "remote peering." if one >> measures rtt to all the peers on the six, for example, the curve goes >> out to well over 200ms. the six has seen remote peers from the gulf >> states, and i do not mean l

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread Tom Beecher
> > I meant ix internet exchange path visualization and an online tool to take > a look at it in (near) real time! I'm still not sure I follow your question. Are you asking 'How does IX-FOO connect to IX-BAR?' Or are you asking 'What ASNs connect to IX-FOO AND IX-BAR?' On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 7

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-21 Thread Thomas Beer
Hi Matt, > You might mean "exchange inter-connections" as "how are the different > internet exchanges connected to each other?" > in which case the answer is generally "through the Internet". ^_^; > I meant ix internet exchange path visualization and an online tool to take a look at it in (near

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-15 Thread Randy Bush
> actually, i am amazed by the extent of "remote peering." if one > measures rtt to all the peers on the six, for example, the curve goes > out to well over 200ms. the six has seen remote peers from the gulf > states, and i do not mean louisiana. > > graph below is one way to visualize ix connec

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-15 Thread Randy Bush
> You might instead be thinking of "how are different participants in a > single internet exchange cross-connected to each other?" -- in which > case the answer is "through in-building wiring that often even the > building owner isn't entirely aware of what path the connections are > taking." ^_^

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-15 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 8:24 AM Thomas Beer wrote: > Hi All! > > Has anybody a link to a cost-free service for visualizations of internet > exchange inter-connections? > > Thanks & cheers > Tom > Hi Tom, There's a couple of different ways of interpreting your question, which will impact the ans

Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-15 Thread Thomas Beer
Hi All! Has anybody a link to a cost-free service for visualizations of internet exchange inter-connections? Thanks & cheers Tom