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> I am a little surprised no one has referenced Wired's recent article > about Libya's Internet Surveillance systems: > > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/ff_libya/all/1 and that of AT&T doing the same, alledgedly illegally, for the USG. randy

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On Thu, May 24, 2012 7:36 pm, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Justin M. Streiner" >> Aside from all of the business and legal sticking points that others have >> mentioned, there are also the technical aspects of capturing, storing, transporting, analyzing, and managin

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From: not common [mailto:notcommonmista...@gmail.com] >Hello, > >I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level. > >Is there any regulations that prohibit or provide guidance on this? Your better to discuss use cases than technology. E.g. do you plan to do per-user beh

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- Original Message - > From: "Justin M. Streiner" > Aside from all of the business and legal sticking points that others have > mentioned, there are also the technical aspects of capturing, storing, > transporting, analyzing, and managing those packets, and the appliances > that do the he

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On Thu, 24 May 2012, Jimmy Hess wrote: On 5/24/12, not common wrote: [snip I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level. Aside from all of the business and legal sticking points that others have mentioned, there are also the technical aspects of capturing, stori

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On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:37:52PM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote: > On 5/24/12, not common wrote: > [snip > > I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level. > Aside from any legal issue; there is a "respectable practices" > issue. Even if there is no regulation that prohi

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On 5/24/12, not common wrote: [snip > I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level. Aside from any legal issue; there is a "respectable practices" issue. Even if there is no regulation that prohibits something does not mean it is OK. Your customers' deserve to be ma

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On a lighter note, did you know that your company can hold some of us liable depending on what advice we give you and how far you run with it. Just a thought... Overall, I wouldn't choose nanog over google/wikipedia/GROKLAW unless it is something really specific operationally. This isn't really

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I've seen this come up on at least three different cop shows so I wouldn't recommend it. It's also not cool. Packets wanna be free man.. ;) Just my 2c 2012/5/24 not common > Hello, > > I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level. > > Is there any regulations tha

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On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:50:47AM -0400, not common wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level. > > Is there any regulations that prohibit or provide guidance on this? Unless you are absolutely huge, and maybe even then, you need to worry more

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- Original Message - > From: "not common" > Thanks guys, I am looking for stuff to bring to my legal team (which > is one guy, that can't spell IP) and VPs. My professional advice (IANAL) is that your inside counsel needs to find appropriate outside counsel well versed in this topic, an

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Inside counsel should engage with outside counsel in this case. Part of being a professional in many fields is knowing how to engage the right people (e.g.: doctors that refer you to an expert). - jared On May 24, 2012, at 9:13 AM, not common wrote: > Thanks guys, I am looking for stuff to br

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Very nice Patrick -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd" -Jack Herer On 5/24/2012 8:19 AM, Patrick Darden wrote: 0. General Reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection#DPI_at_network.2FInternet_service_providers e.g. Lawful Intercept 1. network neutrality -- lots of

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Thank you all, this will get me started and @Hammer, I see the trend your talking about. Cheers, On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:24 AM, wrote: > On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:13:16 -0400, not common said: > > Thanks guys, I am looking for stuff to bring to my legal team (which is > one > > guy, that can't s

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On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:13:16 -0400, not common said: > Thanks guys, I am looking for stuff to bring to my legal team (which is one > guy, that can't spell IP) and VPs. You probably want to fix that legal team. If you're an ISP and your legal eagle doesn't understand networking, you're opening you

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And if your legal can't figure it out that is exactly what "outside counsel" is for. -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd" -Jack Herer On 5/24/2012 8:22 AM, -Hammer- wrote: The problem is that it is strictly a jurisdictional question. I'm not trying to throw it back at you. But I can't ad

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The problem is that it is strictly a jurisdictional question. I'm not trying to throw it back at you. But I can't advise you w/o knowing the specifics of your ISP which I don't want to know. Does that make sense? What country? State? Where's your customer base? Do you have multiple carriers? Do

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On May 24, 2012, at 9:13 AM, not common wrote: > Thanks guys, I am looking for stuff to bring to my legal team (which is one > guy, that can't spell IP) and VPs. One reasonably balanced and relatively recent overview for your legal folks to get oriented:

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0. General Reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection#DPI_at_network.2FInternet_service_providers e.g. Lawful Intercept 1. network neutrality -- lots of possible laws coming up, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality#Law_in_the_United_States http://www.sans.org/

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might I suggest you consider replacing your legal team. On 05/24/12 09:13, not common wrote: > Thanks guys, I am looking for stuff to bring to my legal team (which is one > guy, that can't spell IP) and VPs. > > There has to be some thing out there or is this really a hands of topic? > > On Thu,

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Thanks guys, I am looking for stuff to bring to my legal team (which is one guy, that can't spell IP) and VPs. There has to be some thing out there or is this really a hands of topic? On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:58 AM, -Hammer- wrote: > You should be discussing this with inside counsel. Not NANOG

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You should be discussing this with inside counsel. Not NANOG. -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd" -Jack Herer On 5/24/2012 7:50 AM, not common wrote: Hello, I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level. Is there any regulations that prohibit or provide guid

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Asking for legal advice on NANOG is probably a REALLY REALLY bad idea. Talk to a lawyer in the area(s) you do business. -jim On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:50 AM, not common wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level. > > Is there any regulations tha

ISPs and full packet inspection

Hello, I am looking for some guidance on full packet inspection at the ISP level. Is there any regulations that prohibit or provide guidance on this?