RE: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-24 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Michael Dillon [mailto:wavetos...@googlemail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 4:11 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc. > > > I can't in good conscience justify a /32.  That is jus

Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-24 Thread Michael Dillon
> I can't in good conscience justify a /32.  That is just too much space. Then you need to go back to IPv6 101. > I believe I can, however, justify a separate /48 in Europe and APAC with > my various offices and data centers in that region coming from the /48 > for that region. A /48 is for a si

RE: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-24 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Scott Leibrand > > It sounds like you're on the right track. You discovered the 2009-5 > Multiple Discrete Networks draft policy, which should allow you a > separate /48 for each discrete network. That is somewhat orthogonal to > the question of whether you s

Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-24 Thread Scott Leibrand
e input, Mick. George From: Mick O'Rourke [mailto:mkorou...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:43 PM To: Joel Jaeggli Cc: George Bonser; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc. Is the idea behind the /48 being looked at (keeping in mind a mixed IPv4

RE: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-23 Thread George Bonser
l.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:43 PM To: Joel Jaeggli Cc: George Bonser; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc. Is the idea behind the /48 being looked at (keeping in mind a mixed IPv4/IPv6 environment & http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5375.txt <http://

Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-22 Thread Joel Jaeggli
George Bonser wrote: > We have decided to initiate the process of becoming IPv6 capable. We > have requested and received a block of addresses which, after reading > some of the discussion here, I fear may be too small to suit our needs > (a /48). To better understand how to proceed and in an a

RE: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-22 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: eric clark > I'm not an expert, but can/should you advertise ARIN IP space on APNIC > or RIPE, etc ? You are talking about having recieved ip space from > ARIN, tied to an ARIN AS I suppose it's probably more a matter of > form than anything else though

Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-22 Thread Nathan Ward
On 23/12/2009, at 4:04 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: I'm not an expert, but can/should you advertise ARIN IP space on APNIC or RIPE, etc ? You are talking about having recieved ip space from ARIN, tied to an ARIN AS I suppose it's probably more a matter of form than anything else though. T

Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-22 Thread Shane Ronan
> I'm not an expert, but can/should you advertise ARIN IP space on APNIC > or RIPE, etc ? You are talking about having recieved ip space from > ARIN, tied to an ARIN AS I suppose it's probably more a matter of > form than anything else though. This happens all the time with IPv4 space and

Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-22 Thread Nathan Ward
On 23/12/2009, at 3:52 PM, George Bonser wrote: If you can justify getting a /32, then I suggest you do so, but if not then don't worry, a /48 will work just fine. The networks that do filter you will pretty soon adapt I expect. I can't in good conscience justify a /32. That is just too muc

Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-22 Thread eric clark
I'm not an expert, but can/should you advertise ARIN IP space on APNIC or RIPE, etc ? You are talking about having recieved ip space from ARIN, tied to an ARIN AS I suppose it's probably more a matter of form than anything else though. On Tuesday, December 22, 2009, Nathan Ward wrote: >

RE: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-22 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Nathan Ward [mailto:na...@daork.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:34 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc. > > The assumption that networks will filter /48s is not the whole story. ...

Re: IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-22 Thread Nathan Ward
The assumption that networks will filter /48s is not the whole story. The RIRs giving out /48s do so from a single pool that only contains / 48 assignments. The RIRs give out /32s from a pool containing /32 or shorter prefixes (ie /31, /30, etc. etc). You will find that most networks filteri

IPv6 allocations, deaggregation, etc.

2009-12-22 Thread George Bonser
We have decided to initiate the process of becoming IPv6 capable. We have requested and received a block of addresses which, after reading some of the discussion here, I fear may be too small to suit our needs (a /48). To better understand how to proceed and in an attempt to get it right (or clos

Re: IPv6 Allocations

2009-10-19 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Cord MacLeod wrote: > The tool is aware of the prefix length you insert. So instead of /32, put > /64 or /48 etc. Ah! So, the instructions are wrong; instead of saying "1. Enter the start prefix (i.e. 2001:db8::/32)." it should say "1. Enter the start prefix (i

Re: IPv6 Allocations

2009-10-19 Thread Cord MacLeod
The tool is aware of the prefix length you insert. So instead of /32, put /64 or /48 etc. On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Simon Perreault < simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca> wrote: Esposito, Victor wrote, on 2009-10-19 16:01: Since there is

Re: IPv6 Allocations

2009-10-19 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Simon Perreault < simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca> wrote: > Esposito, Victor wrote, on 2009-10-19 16:01: > > Since there is a lot of conversation about IPv6 flying about, does > > anyone have a document or link to a good high level allocation structure > > for v6? > >

Re: IPv6 Allocations

2009-10-19 Thread Nathan Ward
On 20/10/2009, at 9:01 AM, Esposito, Victor wrote: Since there is a lot of conversation about IPv6 flying about, does anyone have a document or link to a good high level allocation structure for v6? It seems there are 100 different ways to sub allocate the /32, and I am trying to find a s

Re: IPv6 Allocations

2009-10-19 Thread Simon Perreault
Esposito, Victor wrote, on 2009-10-19 16:01: > Since there is a lot of conversation about IPv6 flying about, does > anyone have a document or link to a good high level allocation structure > for v6? See RFC 3531 and here: http://www.ipv6book.ca/allocation.html Simon -- DNS64 open-source --> h

IPv6 Allocations

2009-10-19 Thread Esposito, Victor
Since there is a lot of conversation about IPv6 flying about, does anyone have a document or link to a good high level allocation structure for v6? It seems there are 100 different ways to sub allocate the /32, and I am trying to find a simple but scalable method... . Thanks! Victor Espos

Re: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-07 Thread Kevin Loch
David Conrad wrote: On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Nathan Ward wrote: My understanding is that the RIRs are doing sparse allocation, as opposed to reserving a few bits. I could be wrong. Last I heard, with the exception of APNIC and contrary to what they indicated they'd do prior to IANA allocat

Re: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-06 Thread David Conrad
On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:17 PM, David Conrad wrote: On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Nathan Ward wrote: My understanding is that the RIRs are doing sparse allocation, as opposed to reserving a few bits. I could be wrong. Last I heard, with the exception of APNIC and contrary to what they indicated t

Re: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-06 Thread David Conrad
On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Nathan Ward wrote: My understanding is that the RIRs are doing sparse allocation, as opposed to reserving a few bits. I could be wrong. Last I heard, with the exception of APNIC and contrary to what they indicated they'd do prior to IANA allocating the /12s, you a

Re: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-06 Thread Nathan Ward
nding should be an easy thing to do. On a personal note, I hope that we DO need to expand IPv6 allocations to ISPs as this thing finally gets deployed. My understanding is that the RIRs are doing sparse allocation, as opposed to reserving a few bits. I could be wrong. -- Nathan Ward

Re: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-06 Thread Doug Barton
be an easy thing to do. On a personal note, I hope that we DO need to expand IPv6 allocations to ISPs as this thing finally gets deployed. I'm not responding to the rest of your post because you and I have already had those discussions in person on more than one occasion and I know I'm not

RE: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-06 Thread Tony Hain
Doug Barton wrote: > [ I normally don't say this, but please reply to the list only, thanks. > ] > > I've been a member of the "let's not assume the IPv6 space is > infinite" school from day 1, even though I feel like I have a pretty > solid grasp of the math. Others have alluded to some of the re

Re: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-06 Thread TJ
FWIW - I don't believe the two arguments are in opposition/conflict ... But totally agree with your end result of "/56s and /48s, with add'l bits held in reserve" ... /TJ On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > [ I normally don't say this, but please reply to the list only, thank

Re: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-05 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > As a practical matter we're "stuck" with /64 as the smallest possible > network we can reliably assign. A /60 contains 16 /64s, which > personally I think is more than enough for a residential customer, > even taking a "long view" into conside

Re: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-05 Thread George Michaelson
I realize that this is quite long, so if you've gotten this far, congratulations! I hope it was useful. Doug Well said Doug. -G

Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-05 Thread Doug Barton
[ I normally don't say this, but please reply to the list only, thanks. ] I've been a member of the "let's not assume the IPv6 space is infinite" school from day 1, even though I feel like I have a pretty solid grasp of the math. Others have alluded to some of the reasons why I have concerns about